GGG vs James Toney at 160.

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Who wins?

  1. Toney by decision.

  2. Toney by stoppage.

  3. Ladies and gentieman we have a draw!!!

  4. GGG by decision.

  5. GGG by stoppage.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I wanted the PM, Let Loudon stand on his own.

    GGG would wreak some of your picks, and many who you listed are not into HOF, which you agree GGG will end up in.
     
  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    opinion :lol::lol::lol: And a biased one as we all know.A blind man could see he was weight drained against Jones and the history was well documented,You are just an amateur who knows nothing and can not apply context to anything:lol::lol::lol:
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    EXCUSES. :nonono:nonono:nonono You do know about the re-hyydration process in boxing?! A fighter can easily add 15 pounds. What a moron you are. No fan boy, the fight was fair, both made weight and one clowned the other. Toney was the one who was clowned as I pointed out he's not the best boxer out there, and was often very close vs mere top ten types in his prime. One could argue it was one to Roy's easiest points wins at the championship level. Did Toney win more than 2 rounds? Hello? I will say Toney did well in the stare down with Jones.

    Keep the excuses coming! Although this is a free forum, your unitentional comedy would be worth the price of admission if we had to pay here to post.
     
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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boy do you claim James was at his best against Tiberi and Jones? James lost 40 pounds 6 weeks before the Jones fight you clown :lol::lol::lol:A blind man could see the difference in his body structure compared to his fight against Williams before. It was fair but James was not at his best idiot.

    Tiberi, nobody agrees with you so I am even going to address that.And Toney won that fight, you have to accept that reality.I could not care less whether you agree with the judges
     
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    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And you are making excuses for the Jacobs and Canelo fights.Against the only two live bodies hé faced, GGG is 1-1-1.Toney is 3-1-0 !!! So there you have it stats man
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Please, GGG would not wreck any of my picks. And the HOF is absolutely ****. It has no relevance when I make lists.

    When GGG (or Toney) beats someone as good as Sugar Ray Robinson, then he can be ranked over Fullmer.
     
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    @Loudon, are you ready. Post those answers. Still waiting....

    Please answer yes or no without any spin, tangent, or attempt to undermine the question. Surely you can do this. This should be easy.

    Question #1. Do you think GGG is a hall of fame bound fighter? Yes or No? Not only do I think he is. I also think he'll earn the first-ballot distinction as possibly the top vote-getter in his class.


    Question #2 I think both Toney and GGG are top 25 all-time middleweights. Do you agree, Yes or no?


    Question #3 Do you think Nunn or McCallum are top 25 all-time middleweights? Now be honest, and if the answer is yes for either, Produce a top 25 list to be examined. To help you case you need names for the list, you can use the IBRO at Poll, which voted on their top 20 middleweights with some honorable mention. I was a former member. Most current members shun the web forums by the way. A few do post here. Since the IBRO rarely votes on active fighters, GGG's name is not mentioned, but Toney, who retied did make the honorable mention coming in 25th place overall. Personally, I think Ketchel has no business being where he is, and Toney would beat some rated ahead of him. You may also use Rumsfled's top 15 poll at ESB.

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    Question #4 Do you think Golovkin would beat the 24-11-0 Sanderline Williams? Williams entered having lost three consecutive bouts on points and with a record of 2-7 in his previous nine. Assume this is GGG's 22nd pro fight, same as Toney. Toney drew with Williams. Call KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss here for GGG.


    Quesiton #5. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision vs. Sosa who was then an 18-0 greenish fighter and finished a 39-4-2 KO'd 4 times? Yes or no. Call Ko, UD, SD, Draw, or loss for Golovkin.


    Question #6. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision, being knocked down in the process vs. a Ring Magazine top ten rated Reggie Johnson, or would Golovkin do better in your opinion? Call KO, UD, SD, Draw or loss for Golovkin


    Question #7 Do you think Golovkin would have to settle for a draw in his prime vs. a 35-year-old Mike McCallum? What's your call here, win, draw or loss. Keep in mind McCallum after this fight, never beat anyone good at middle or super middle and lost 3 more times. McCallum also said he was past his prime at this point, which video would attest to in from his fights years ago. Your call for Golovkin here is KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss


    Question #8. Do you think GGG in his prime with 7 weeks to prepare for Dave Tiberi, who also the same amount of time to prepare as would defeat Tiberi? Call KO, UD, Draw or loss, please. We both agree Toney should have lost this fight.


    Question #9. How would GGG do vs Roy Jones? Better than Toney or worse?. Would he be floored as Toney was? Your answer to this question is?

    The score cards on Jones vs Toney were:
    Judge: John Stewart 119-108 in favor of Jones
    Judge: Glen Hamada 117-110 in favor of Jones
    Judge: Jerry Roth 118-109 in favor of Jones
    Unofficial AP scorecard: 119-107 Jones
    Essentially three cards say Jones up by 9 points, Jones uo by 9 points, and Jones up by 11 points.

    I think I'll stop here, I look forward to reading your replies.
     
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    You think neither Toney of GGG is a top 25 all time middle weights? Um Okay.

    You think GGG wouldn't vs a bum Toney drew with ( Williams 2 wins in his last 9 fights ) . To quote you " Yeah, but it wouldn't be a pushover. " Wrong, he'd be a pushover. Williams would get KO'd, and the match would not be close.

    You think Toney didn't beat a top 25 middleweight opponent? Let's hold on to that one. Toney fans might go crazy to ready that,

    I will go into more detail, waiting on London to reply.
     
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  9. THE BLADE 2

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    GGG 1-1-1 against real bodies. Toney 3-1-0 against real bodies. Enough said
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    Yes. GGG probably wouldn't make 30.
    If my man can draw with Toney, and deserve victories over Benn & Barkley, and go the distance with McClellan. Then he can go the distance and be competitive.
    Yeah. Neither has GGG, mind you. Toney came a lot ****in closer than him though.
    You can in as much detail as you please, so long as you come with a bit more than what Boxrec tells you.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    I’ve had a word with myself, and I have decided to respectfully not answer your questions.
     
  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Why? I spent time replying to your post, now you can't do me the same? You had no intention of answering my questions, I think because you are scared to admit certain truths. How sad, you ran from a debate. You were telling me you're good at it. There are easy questions you said you would get to them. Now your looking like a liar.

    Give it a go. Don't lie about what you are going to do, only to say NO MAS.

    One last chance for redemption:

    Your words, post #839 in this thread

    " I’m awaiting your questions.

    I’m ready.

    Just answer mine with a yes or a no and then you can post me them. - " Loudon




    Question #1. Do you think GGG is a hall of fame bound fighter? Yes or No? Not only do I think he is. I also think he'll earn the first-ballot distinction as possibly the top vote-getter in his class.


    Question #2 I think both Toney and GGG are top 25 all-time middleweights. Do you agree, Yes or no?


    Question #3 Do you think Nunn or McCallum are top 25 all-time middleweights? Now be honest, and if the answer is yes for either, Produce a top 25 list to be examined. To help you case you need names for the list, you can use the IBRO at Poll, which voted on their top 20 middleweights with some honorable mention. I was a former member. Most current members shun the web forums by the way. A few do post here. Since the IBRO rarely votes on active fighters, GGG's name is not mentioned, but Toney, who retied did make the honorable mention coming in 25th place overall. Personally, I think Ketchel has no business being where he is, and Toney would beat some rated ahead of him. You may also use Rumsfled's top 15 poll at ESB.

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    Question #4 Do you think Golovkin would beat the 24-11-0 Sanderline Williams? Williams entered having lost three consecutive bouts on points and with a record of 2-7 in his previous nine. Assume this is GGG's 22nd pro fight, same as Toney. Toney drew with Williams. Call KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss here for GGG.


    Quesiton #5. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision vs. Sosa who was then an 18-0 greenish fighter and finished a 39-4-2 KO'd 4 times? Yes or no. Call Ko, UD, SD, Draw, or loss for Golovkin.


    Question #6. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision, being knocked down in the process vs. a Ring Magazine top ten rated Reggie Johnson, or would Golovkin do better in your opinion? Call KO, UD, SD, Draw or loss for Golovkin


    Question #7 Do you think Golovkin would have to settle for a draw in his prime vs. a 35-year-old Mike McCallum? What's your call here, win, draw or loss. Keep in mind McCallum after this fight, never beat anyone good at middle or super middle and lost 3 more times. McCallum also said he was past his prime at this point, which video would attest to in from his fights years ago. Your call for Golovkin here is KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss


    Question #8. Do you think GGG in his prime with 7 weeks to prepare for Dave Tiberi, who also the same amount of time to prepare as would defeat Tiberi? Call KO, UD, Draw or loss, please. We both agree Toney should have lost this fight.


    Question #9. How would GGG do vs Roy Jones? Better than Toney or worse?. Would he be floored as Toney was? Your answer to this question is?

    The score cards on Jones vs Toney were:
    Judge: John Stewart 119-108 in favor of Jones
    Judge: Glen Hamada 117-110 in favor of Jones
    Judge: Jerry Roth 118-109 in favor of Jones
    Unofficial AP scorecard: 119-107 Jones
    Essentially three cards say Jones up by 9 points, Jones uo by 9 points, and Jones up by 11 points.

    Will there be a 6th duck?
     
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  13. Loudon

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    Okay then. But only if you agree than McCallum’s shorts from the Jackson fight, were better than any that GG ever wore.

    Deal?
     
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  14. dinovelvet

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    Good choice mate:thumbsup: Look how long and hard it was to get him to answer just one question , now he wants you to answer 10 of his in a row. Which you will no doubt answer fairly and honesty.. He has an agenda so he won't certainly won't grant you the same courtesy in return..
     
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    great idea :smoking:I guess enough is enough
     
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