Good wins that are often discredited for whatever reason

I think contemprorary fighters in general only gets grudging respect for some truly inspiring wins, if they get any at all. This goes for example for PBF schooling Floyd, but even more so Pac's exploits at higher weights. I also often feel that Jones doesn't get all the respect he deserves for some of his wins, and some are of course hell bent on denying Leonard credit for his great feats (but that is perhaps easing up a bit).

 

What would Pac have done except swarm him? It would be far more out of ordinary if Roach told him to box Oscar from a distance, I'd say.

 

Roy Jones-Virgil Hill. Hill wasn't exactly at his best but it was the only time Virgil was stopped in his career other than retiring on his stool against Mormeck.

 

Mayweather-Corrales (Hell of a performance against a fighter that many picked to beat him at the time. Yeah, Chico was going through some legal difficulty, but that doesn't take away from the fact that PBf looked awfully good that night.)

Ali-Liston (Both fights)

 

Most of Pacquiao's fights under Roach he hasn't jumped all over them from the first bell (See Cotto and Clottey where he increased as the rounds went on). Pacquiao was throwing plenty of big left hand bombs from the outset which was unsual for him for the first round...

 

Yeah, perhaps. He was pretty quick on the trigger against Hatton, though. It's of course far from impossible that Roach planned with Oscar feeling the effects of weight drain (he was just 5 lbs lighter than the previous fight, though), but that doesn't mean he was a walking corps.

Roach could also figure that instant pressure was the best tactic against a tall rangy fighter who was quite some way past his prime and had lost in terms of speed, reflexes and stamina. Oscar had also fought quite sparsely over the last couple of years, so tryning to overwhelm him from the onset, not letting him getting into any rhytm or comfort zone, could be seen as a good tactic regardless of weight drain.

And don't forget that Oscar, old and past prime as he was, did better than Hatton, about as well (or bad) as Cotto and not much worse than Clottey.

 

Definitely. Hatton's just got that open style that can be exploited before he can wear you down.

Oh no way would Roach would have predicted that type of weight drain problems. Roach trained Oscar for Mayweather so he would have known that luring him down to welter would limit some of his effectiveness, however this is offsetted partly in Pac jumped from lightweight to welterweight. Sure we now know he can fight at welter, but we didn't have that luxury of knowing that then.

From the interview, Roach mentions he saw the intravenous marks on Oscar's arm during the final instructions, which is why he told Pac to go straight after him. So it was only at the very last moment.

This is not a fault of Pacquiao that Oscar's team messed up royally but dehydration or not, the demolition has to be credited.

 

Where were this marks from? Do you know?

 

Foreman's win against Frazier is not underrated. It's one of his best wins aside from Moorer and Norton. George also respectfully said in reapeated interviews that he would have never beaten the FOTC or earlier version of Frazier.

Buster Douglas' win against Tyson was a quality win, but any Tyson follower knows that Tyson wasn't normally explosive, aside from the fact that Douglas' mom dying provided him with a little more motivation going into the fight.

 

ODLH was frankly shite against Pac, something like Ledwaba is a vastly superior win.Who cares if it's a good example of a fight where loads of people got it wrong before the bout.Unless you feel pre-fight analysis has to be omnipotent and unquestionable.

 

I think he had sex with Foremans Hook

 

Floyd Mayweather Diego Corrales
Sugar Ray Leonard Marvin Hagler
James Toney Evander Holyfield
Gerald Mclellan Julian Jackson
Evander Holyfield Mike Tyson
Mike Tyson Mike Spinks
Riddick Bowe Tony Tubbs
Roy Jones James Toney
Roy Jones John Ruiz

 

It does, but I believe Toney was, and proved to be, more equipped at heavyweight. Jones really had no business past 175 pounds with his chicken legs. Jones looked ridiculous as a jacked up heavyweight.

 

It is right that a fighter wins be questioned, other wise boxing will get worse from every fighter cherry picking their fights.

Should ODLH get credit for beating a very good JCC, yes, did he beat a prime JCC, no.

A Guy like Oscar cherry picked and got cherry picked. (even though he did not know it at the time)

You can't blame Vander for beating a out of prime Tyson , but it was not a prime Tyson in the ring that night, would Vander beat Tyson in both their primes, maybe, but we will never know.

Floyd should get full credit for beating Corales, but not an old SSM as he was old by that stage.