Great Fighters' AMATEUR Records...

Tyson lost to Al Evans and Killem Odum as an amateur too.

 

Robinson had an amateur loss it's bene reported, maybe two.

 

One version of Tyson's amateur record was printed in Reg Gutteridge and Normal Giller's book 'For whom the bell tolls':

1981
Region I Junior Olympics at Queens, New York.
unknown opponent W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
Jesus Esparza W-RSC1
Randy Wesley W-RSC1
Joe Cortez W-RSC1 Won +178 lb Title.


1982
Junior Olympics Regionals at Syracuse
Tito Llanes W-RSC1 (at +178 lb)

National Junior Olympics at Colorado Springs
Jonathan Littles W-RSC2
Dan Cozad W-RSC1
Kelton Brown W-RET1 Won +178 lb Title.

Region I USA/ABF Tournament at Boston
Kilbert Pierce W-PTS3 (at +201 lb)

US Amateur Championships at Indianapolis
Al Evans L-RSC3 (at +201 lb)


1983
Western Massachusetts Golden Gloves at Holyoke
Jimmy Johnson W-KO1 (at +201 lb)

New England Golden Gloves at Lowell
Jim Rayborn W-PTS3 Won +201 lb Title.

New York State Golden Gloves at Utica
Walkover in finals at +201 lb.

National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
Ronald Williams W-RSC1
Andrew Stokes W-RSC3
Mike Bardwell W-RSC1
Warren Thompson W-PTS3
March Craig Payne L-PTS3 (at +201 lb)-Finals.

Ohio State Fair at Columbus
Jeff Goff W-KO1
Olian Alexander walkover Won 201 lb Title.

US Junior Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
David Yonko W-RSC1
Mark Scott W-RSC1 Won +201 lb Tide.

USA vs. West Germany International at Lake Placid
September 16 - Peter Geier W-RET1

New England Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
October 22 - unknown opponent WON (at +201 lb)

US Amateur Championships at Colorado Springs
November - Kimmuel Odom L-DISQ2 (at+201 lb)


1984
National Golden Gloves Championships at St. Louis
April - Roger Pepel WON
April - Derek Isaman WON
April - Johnny Williams W-RSC1
April - Richard Johnson W-RSC3
April 21 - Jonathan Littles W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title.

US Olympic Trials at Fort Worth
June - unknown opponent W-PTS3
June - Henry Milligan W-RSC2
June 10 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3 (at 201 lb) Final

US Olympic Box-Offs at Las Vegas
July 7 - Henry Tillman L-PTS3

Empire State Games at Syracuse
August 18 - Winston Benton W-RSC Won 201 lb Title

US Junior Amateur Championships at Lake Placid
August 23 - Kelton Brown W-RSC1 Won 201 lb Title

International Tournament in Tampere, Finland
September - Hakan Brock WON +201 lb Title

 

Mike was beaten by Al chico Evans in a golden gloves fight by stoppage when he was 16.

Someone said he had not boxed many fights and did not do that much as an amateur , He won so many Nationals and Jr Olympic titles, Mike had a very decorated Ame career..

 

Didn't Michael Bentt have a good amateur record or something? Thought he won three or four Golden Gloves tournaments.

I wouldn't mind knowing Jorge Luis Gonzalez's record either...he only had a handful of losses and a lot of wins.

Senya13, great lists!

 

Re - Tyson's amateur losses. This is the exact info I have :

November 1981 - Lost PTS3 to Ernie Bennet (USA) in Rhode Island, USA
December 12th 1982 - Lost TKO3 to Al Evans (USA) in Binghampton, USA (AAU Championships)
March 26th 1983 - Lost PTS3 to Craig Payne (USA) in Alburquerque, USA (Golden Gloves Final)
December 10th 1983 - Lost DQ2 to Kimmuel Odum (USA) in Colorado Springs, USA (AAU Championships)
June 10th 1984 - Lost PTS3 to Henry Tillman (USA) in Fort Worth, USA (US Olympic Trials)
July 7th 1984 - Lost PTS3 to Henry Tillman (USA) in Las Vegas, USA (US Olympic Trials Box-Off)

 

Any information on the nature of that disqualification?

 

Mike tried to stick his finger up Odum's arse. Probably. :good

 

Weird one, actually.

Allegedly, Odum was very negative and passive in the bout, to the point where Tyson got so angry he turned his back in disgust and simply walked out of the bout in fury, claiming Odum didn't want to fight.

That's one way to get a win against Mike, I guess!

 

Larry Holmes was 19-3. He lost to Nick Wells by KO twice, and was DQ'd in the olympics for clinching.

I think Rocky Marciano was like 23-4 or 19-4. I know he was DQ'd for kneeing someone in the stomach, and I know he lost a disputed (How disputed an amerature fight can get) decision to someone else.

 

coley wallace...the next Joe Louis

 

Buh...?
That's a novel one. Certainly can't say I've seen that one before...you'd think it would be too much effort to do that while a elbow or headbutt would do.

 

I read he kneed the guy in the groin, actually.

 

nick wells 185-18 110kos 72kos rd 1 amateur

 

I didn't want to raise the issue, as I don't have any source, but through the fifties and sixties, it was always mentioned that Ezzard Charles had the best amateur record, and had been undefeated in 40 bouts. Robinson was never mentioned as undefeated until the last 15 years or so, but I do not know of a specific loss, myself.

Whenever Billy Graham appeared on TV as a boxer or referee, it was mentioned that he beat Robinson as an amateur while Robinson was still using the name Walker Smith. If it wasn't true, I'm surprised Robinson never publicly challenged it.