Greatest Welterweights in History

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Hearns only fought one of the top guys at 147 and he got stopped. Stop trying to spin this like he fought them all.

    Cuevas was Porter level.
     
  2. NoNeck

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    Hearns was dried out and inexperienced at 147, hence more vulnerable. Hence, he got stopped.

    Oscar was among the best fighters on the planet when Shane beat him. Cuevas never was. Margarito was a huge guy who was cutting with day before weigh ins and steam rolling guys. Cueves was a midget.

    I'd give Forrest a great shot at beating Barkley.
     
  3. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    If you think that, I think this conversation is over. Thanks for the exchange.
     
  4. NoNeck

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    Good. I was about to end the conversation because it’s completely disingenuous to try to claim that Hearns has a top ten welter resume. H2h, sure. Resume is just a fan driven narrative.
     
  5. NoNeck

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    Btw Porter beat Devon Alexander, Ugas, D Garcia, Berto, Broner, Malignaggi, and Usyk in the ams.

    He went to war w top tier guys like Spence and Crawford instead of getting blown out like Cuevas.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Good choice as he's neither lived the era nor studied it properly.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    You sound a little gossipy and upset.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not sure how you'd garner that. Actually didn't you call DP gossipy the other day? Is it that time of the month again? It seems to be daily.
     
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    01 - Sugar Ray Robinson
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    02 - Ray Leonard
    03 - Jack Britton
    04 - Jose Napoles
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    05 - Emile Griffiths
    06 - Henry Armstrong
    07 - Kid Gavilan
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    08 - Tommy Hearns
    09 - Floyd Mayweather
    10 - Ted Kid Lewis
    11 - Tommy Ryan
    12 - Joe Walcott
    13 - Jackie Fields
    14 - Mickey Walker
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    15 - Barney Ross
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    16 - Jimmy McLarnin
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    17 - Curtis Cokes
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    18 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    19 - Manny Pacquiao
    20 - Felix Trinidad
    21 - Roberto Duran
    22 - Carmen Basilio
    23 - Young Corbett III
    24 - Oscar De La Hoya
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    25 - Pernell Whitaker
    26 - Charley Burley
    27 - Donald Curry
    28 - Marlon Starling
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    29 - Shane Mosley
    30 - Fritzie Zivic
    31 - Billy Grahm
    32 - Lloyd Honeyghan
    33 - Lou Brouillard
    34 - Wilfred Benitez
    35 - Carlos Palomino
    36 - Pipino Cuevas
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    37 - Mike Glover
    38 - Billy Smith
    39 - Rube Fearns
    40 - Cocoa Kid
    41 - Young Jack Thompson
    42 - Paddy Duffy
    43 - Dave Shade
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    44 - Joe Dundee
    45 - Jack Carroll
    46 - Vernon Forrest
    47 - Benny Parret
    48 - James McGirt
    49 - Ike Quartey
    50 - Simon Brown
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    Yeah, Hearns's high ranking stood out to me too. Long time chanpions like Griffith and Mayweather should probably also be higher.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    I think we’d objectively have to put Ricardo Mayorga ahead of Hearns on resume at 147. The man knocked out Six Heads and beat Forrest twice, unifying titles. This is surely better than beating Cuevas, Benitez’s stepping stones, and getting stopped by Leonard.
     
  12. NoNeck

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    It’s true that Hearns was among the best h2h at welter, but it’s sad how fandom prevents posters from admitting how limited his 147 resume is.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I stopped reading right there. Who do you think you are trying to fool?

    ;)
     
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  14. Bokaj

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    Personally, I don't give a toss about fantasy h2h, but I give Hearns lots of credit for crushing Cuevas like that. But still, though, closer to Pac (whose beat down of for example Cotto was absolutely immense) at WW than Mayweather, I think.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Pac has the title defenses that Hearns lacks. He beat Bradley twice, who was on pfp lists, arguably three times, and somehow topped Thurman while way past it.