Guzman Top 3 P4P - Yes he is!!!!!!!!

There are many mistakes Pacquiao makes as well. Something many Pacfans fail to input in their analysis. I don't think Pacquiao can stop Guzman. He can beat him, but KOing him would be a tall order. (And I somehow doubt one of Guzman's mistakes is dropping his hands. It's not a mistake, it's something he does on purpose. He wouldn't do it to Pacquiao)

 

Errr if Guzman leans against the ropes, hes gonna get hurt and Pac will probably try finish him. Pac nearly KD's Morales with 1 punch in the 2nd round, KO's him in 3 rounds 3rd fight, he KD's MAB in the 2nd round in 1st fight and he KD's JMM 3 times in the first round. He has serious power. His punches are fast and in bunches, unlike barios which is very predictable and Soto who is a solid puncher but not a power puncher nor does he have the speed. Soto also slowed down midway, Pac wont. Pac's defense is no worser than Soto's and his timing is actually pretty good...just watch him outbox MAB, same MAB who nearly outboxed JMM couple of months before. Guzman got hit way too much by Soto, against pac he would get hit even more with twice the damage.

 

I'm Australian. You scoring of the fight isn't fine, its a joke. Just like you analysation of Cotto's abilities. You are an avid Mosley supporter though, so I guess that sums up your obvious bias. Did you forget how close Guzman came to defeat against Barrios? A fighter who is clearly not on the level of either cotto of mosley. Are you basing your opinion solely on how he handled an over rated and largely untested Soto, who's best victories were over Juarez in a CLOSE fight, and who got hurt by JOURNEYMAN Bobby Pac? Cotto would outwork and punish Guzman p4p and head 2 head. Judah and Mosley were both faster and better technically, and look what happened there. You are way off. For the record, Mosley is a better fighter then Guzman p4p anyway, regardless of the fact he lost his last fight.

 

yeah.he ain't there yet ffs.

 

Pac's mistakes are very well documented, I need not mention them. Guzman's are often overlooked cos hes a new fighter to most here and his flashyness overshadows them. Ive no doubt Guzman will counter Pac but being countered is nothing new to him. Guz brawls way too much, simply put, do I think he can handle Pacs pressure, relentlesness, speed and power? My answer is no.

 

I havnt even got Guzman in my top ten P4P.

Top 3 is a joke.

There are fighters out there with way better wins than Guzman so far and yet the guy that started this thread believes Joan should be top 3.

1. PBF (last 3 wins Dela Hoya,Baldomir,Zab)
2. Pacquiao (last 3 wins Barrera,Solis,Morales)
3. Calzaghe (Last 3 wins Kessler,Manfredo,Bika)
4. Cotto (Last 3 wins Mosley,Zab,Urkal)
5. Hatton (Last 3 wins Castillo,Urango,Collazo)
6. Vazquez (Last 3 wins Marquez,Gonzalez,Hernandez)
7. Hopkins (last 3 wins Wright,Tarver,Eastman)
8. Diaz (last 3 wins Diaz,Frietas,Angulo)
9. Marquez (Last 3 wins Juarez,Barrera,Jaca)
10. Mijares (Last 3 wins Gorjux,Kikui,Arce)

Thats my top ten.
Guzmans best 3 wins are against Soto,Davis, Barrios Now i think that he is maybe at 12 or 13 but there are other champs that arent in my top ten like Pavlik,R.Marquez,Klitschko,Dawson etc.

 

For the record, I would love to see a Guzman-valero showdown. I think this fight will be alot more telling to how Guz will do vs Pac than guz-Soto. If Guz embarrasses Valero or clear UD him, I may pick him to beat Pac. I doubt it though, I think valero KO's Guzzy... Winner of the fight will also get a shot at Pac after JMM and Juan.

 

I think the question is can Pacquiao handle someone with the same handspeed and greater footspeed. At least on his end. And Guzman has proven time and again he can take a punch.

I think Guzman brawls to prove a point. If he can take your punch, he can outbrawl you because of his speed. He will not have the advantage there against Pacquiao.

I have never seen you mention Pacquiao's weaknesses in an analysis. He can be exploited by someone like Guzman. And vice versa. BTW, Pacquiao's pressure is a bit overrated. He is not a pressure fighter ala Juan Diaz. He just comes forward, alot like Pavlik, but with better speed.

 

pac has already beaten 4 certified elite fighters. guzman has not yet beaten one.

guzman may have a strong case against jmm. although he beat barrera who was certainly elite, jmm already faced a faded barrera at this point so it detracts from his achievement. guzman is at the top 15 p4p now tops.

 

He is basing it on ability though not on resume mate.

 

How can you miss the simple analysis...if both hit each other in the middle of teh ring..wherever...

Id rather bet on PAC hurting Guz coz Guzman cannot hurt PAC..

If you or anyone think so then theres nothing more I can do

The only way you can say that Guz has the upperhand is if you believe that PAC cant hit him...

Because its simple math if PACs able to hit him Guzman cannot win

 

I agree with this post, especially the part regarding his ability to provide pressure. If Morales and Marquez could outbox Pac, I have no problem seeing a faster and slicker Guzman doing it. Still a close fight though reagrdless.

 

Terrible post. So by your logic the fighter with the most power wins. Julian Jackson would be the No.1 ATG. Once again the idiocy continues.