H2H: Joe Louis vs. Other Heavyweights

I think you always should be careful of drawing too much conclusion from one fight. Otherwise you might be just as tempted to use Ali's fight against D. Jones as proof that Ali would have no chance in hell against Louis.

But in Louis case, slick movers seemed to give Louis some trouble generally. Not only Conn, but also Farr and Walcott. Good as those all were, prime Ali was a different animal completely.

 

Imo Walcott was about as good as Ali in terms of footwork.

 

You think he was as hard to hit? I would seriously doubt that. He also didn't possess Ali's chin.

 

I did not say that. I said his footwork is as good as Ali´s. His chin isn´t as good as Ali´s that´s right btu whose is? There are very few.

 

Louis vs. Ali - Ali UD

Louis vs. Frazier - Louis KO6

Louis vs. Liston - Louis KO8

Louis vs. Jack Johnson - Johnson UD

Louis vs. Dempsey - Louis KO7

Louis vs. Tunney - Louis KO11 - come from behind

Louis vs. Marciano - Louis KO5

Louis vs. Patterson - Louis KO1

Louis vs. Foreman - Louis KO5

Louis vs. Holmes 1 - Holmes UD
Louis vs. Holmes 2 - Louis KO9

Louis vs. Tyson - Tyson KO5

Louis vs. Holyfield - Louis UD

Louis vs. Bowe - Louis KO10

Louis vs. Tua - Louis KO9

Louis vs Both Klit Bros - at the same time they have some chance, otherwise Louis KO4 Wlad, KO6 Vitali

 

you got a good point

 

Fair enough.

 

I would make Ali a clear favorite here. His speed, toughness and movement would be hard to handle.

I would make huge, strong punchers like Foreman, Liston and even a focused Lennox Lewis likely candidates to beat him, as well as Gene Tunney, a brilliant tactician.

Tyson can outbomb him early, but i still favor Louis over Frazier or Marciano.

 

Louis vs. Ali - Ali decision.

Louis vs. Frazier - Louis KO.

Louis vs. Liston - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Jack Johnson - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Dempsey - Louis KO.

Louis vs. Tunney - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Marciano - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Patterson - Louis KO.

Louis vs. Foreman - Louis KO.

Louis vs. Holmes - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Tyson - Tyson TKO (won't be popular, and I don't even like Tyson).

Louis vs. Holyfield - Louis decision.

Louis vs. Bowe - Louis decision,

Louis vs. Tua - Louis decision.

Louis vs Wlad - Louis TKO.

Louis vs. Wlad - Louis decision.

 

You have the right idea.

 

Agreed, Walcott had fancy footwork the equal of Ali. But, in addition to not having Ali's chin, Walcott didn't have Ali's speed, sense of timing and adaptability. This makes Ali a different animal.

 

I think his timing is up there with Ali´s. I agree with the rest thoough.

 

Dempsey takes out Louis inside three rounds,but if it went over 6 Louis wins it.

 

Louis vs. Ali Ali by TKO

Louis vs. Frazier -

Louis vs. Liston Liston by KO

Louis vs. Jack Johnson -

Louis vs. Dempsey Louis by KO

Louis vs. Tunney Louis by decision

Louis vs. Marciano Louis by KO

Louis vs. Patterson -

Louis vs. Foreman Foreman by KO

Louis vs. Holmes Holmes by TKO

Louis vs. Tyson Tyson by KO

Louis vs. Holyfield Holyfield by decision

Louis vs. Bowe Bowe by KO

Louis vs. Tua -

Louis vs Both Klit Bros. -

 

The best fighters Joe Louis fought were Max Schemling, Joe Walcott, Max Baer, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano.

Of the above names, only Marciano stacks up with fighters you mentioned.

If you correctly give Walcott the first fight on points, Louis ring record vs the best fighters he fought was only 3 wins and 4 losses.

Translation, Louis isn't a slam dunk vs the best all time greats. In fact, I think his average chin, slow feet, and suspect defense would really cost him in other eras.

I think it would be win some lose some for Louis.