Hagler vs Leonard

All out warfare is always better to watch. I'd rather see Hagler-Minter than Leonard-Benitez or Weaver-Tillis. They always put me to sleep

 

Better watching Hector.

 

Maybe some fans like two fighters on top form, Hagler looked terrible in there. Slow to get off, not enough power in his punches, not sure which hand to lead with. Anyone who thinks that was a better fight than Gatti-Ward has little idea. But you could take any standard of fight and CGI two famous faces and they'd be convinced it was a classic.

 

Well ****ing said,my man.Well ****ing said.P.S.John Conteh is my favorite British fighter ever.

 

Agreed, Obviously father time was catching up with Hagler & after the Mugabi war i think Marvin should have called it a day as he had nothing left 2 prove & his speed & legs were now seriously diminished, Maybe he wanted Monzon's record as well 2 cement his greatness (Maybe in his mind anyway)

As a lot ov earlier posts have covered the aspects ov Leonards (Rat like cunning) psychi in his dealings with Hagler ever since he humiliated him (Again in Haglers eyes) at the announcement ov Leonards 1st retirement party back in 82 when Hagler was under the impression the event was 2 announce their Superfight 4 that year.

Hagler actually held all the aces in the deck, he did'nt need Leonard & could have/should have just walked away:yep It was leonard that allways avoided fighting him & if he'd got that into his head he may have adopted a more positive approach during this fight as he now had it all 2 lose & **** all 2 gain IMO:smoke

I'll allways remember the words ov a Las Vegas cab driver in relation as 2 who wins & who loses in Vegas fights & his sage words were, "Who ever is best 4 Vegas baby" Hagler's done here:yep Leonards the BIG DRAW NOW & as it proved with Hearns 2 & Duran 3.

At the end ov the day it ai'nt about morals or whats right, it's a bizzness & Leonard is a master exponent ov being succesful in the art ov boxing bizzness, it's got ****-all 2 do with fair play, he prepared himself as best he could & had Hagler jumping around like his puppet on strings pre-fight & during the fight.

It's something Hagler will never deal with IMO, he did'nt have 2 take the Leonard fight, never mind beating him, he should have just said "**** You" you've had enough chances & ov course the Leonard camp would have screamed "Cowardice" but no one would have listened 2 that crap.

IMO Hagler never believed how great he was in the public's eye & if only he'd stepped back & not been so introverted/prickly on occasions he may have seen the bigger picture as 2 the reason as 2 why Leonard wanted 2 fight him NOW & not for the last 5 years & that it was 2 the fact he'd slowed down & was possibly beatable:yep

It must have hurt him plenty when Leonard called him out, but if he'd seen the bigger picture he'd have seen he held all the power as he had ****-all 2 prove & just laughing at Leonard & ****in him off would have wrecked Leonard so saving us from the La Londe farce + Hearns 2 robbery & legging it from Duran for 11 rounds with the cries ov "Bull****" Bull****" ringing in his ears from the Mirage crowd.

Sure, i come across as a Leonard hater but i respect him as a great champion beating Benitez//Hearns//Kalule & toe 2 toe with Duran at Montreal but Hagler did himself & boxing no big service being manipulated by Leonard in & out ov the ring & he'd better come 2 terms with it as the buck really stops with him:smoke

 

Hagler was slow to get off because he was presented with movement and was getting outboxed, its always hard to hit someone properly when they're a slippery *******. It was a Leonard masterclass for me

I personally enjoy tactical fights, you can get a quality action packed war at a lower level it doesn't make it a better performance and it doesnt make a tactical fight a bad fight. You won't be seeing sublime skills in a Gatti-Ward affair

Moore-Macklin, Mitchell-Johanhensen were the British Gatti-Wards for me

I presume you're not saying a 160lb equivilent of Gatti beats Leonard

 

I always thought in a close fight the champion gets the nod, sort of like the saying "tie goes to the runner". All Leonard had to do was keep it a close fight and look good in spurts and he would be given the decision and he knew it. Vegas as well as the media wanted Leonard to win. They loved him not Hagler. If the fight was on the east coast it might've been different but Vegas was all for Leonard. Still I want to give Marvin a dope slap for the way he fought that night. He should've pressured Ray from the opening bell and let his hands go more. Give Ray some credit though. He waited until Marvin was past it before taking him on. Cowardly but smart. I would have loved to have seen these to go at it 3 or 4 years before but that's not Ray's style. No chance of stealing it and having the judges hand you one.

 

Very good fight and great perfomance by Leonard. His physical assets had visibly decllined (as is inventable after such a lay-off), but his trickiness and ringsmartness made up for it. Don't really know what all the fuss is about. Whichever way you spin it, even this Hagler was a mountain to climb for this version of Leonard, and he reached the peak. Shouldn't overcomplicate things too much.

 

The fight was a piece of crap. I was hoping to see it in 1983 but the previous year, leonard pulled one of his stunts to get out of it. Reluctant as hell. Later, after polishing out Scypion, Hagler predicted Leonard might pull something like this and he did but who would expect it to come in the year 1987

had hagler looked strong and dominant towards the end, this fight would NOT have come off. I guarantee it. A defense against top ranked Nunn would have changed my mind but knowing Leonard, defenses just werent going to happen. Expect a fight with more pretenders and relics in the future.

I'm just not as impressed by the leonard fans (spinners what i call them) when it comes to the relics


The fight: Very peculiar the way Hagler came out like he'd never seen a right hand thrown his way before.

the pace was too slow but it looked fine for leonard fans. too much fouling by Leonard but Leonard fans didnt notice. the refereeing sucked, as you would expect having Richard Steele but for leonard fans he did fine I'm sure.

Leonard himself looked good and sharp as you would expect fighting a dull and lethargice opponent devoid of reflexes but for Leoanrd fans I'm sure it was a real mountain to climb

This fight was decided not by who did the most but by who did the least. It was that kind of fight, and with no clear winner. A defesnes against Nunn, Kalambay would have answered a lot of questions

 

:yikes

 

I had Leonard ahead with 2 rounds. This was, as Leonard said "just one fight for him".
It´s always hard to judge fight´s if you hate one of the boxers or don´t like that type of style some boxers has. I like watching tactical fights, that´s boxing for me, than two guys go out and punch their heads of for two rounds.
IMO
All the best
The predator

 

Makes me mad all Hearns had to do was box a little bit and he would have beat Hagler,probably would have finshed mauling his face into hamburger meat,good thing he didnt give Hearns the rematch he would have gotten killed.I really dont respect Hagler for thing he doesent respect anyone and he thought he was better than he was, he got tricked by Sugar Ray inside and outside of the ring,and he quit like a *****,and then on ESPN he was trying to dog Hopkins,**** Hagler he gets to much credit,he was a 2nd rate fighter that fought 3rd rate opponets all those years at Middleweight,he's highly overrated,im not Ray Leornard fan,but he made all the right moves to ensure he was gonna win and he did just that,and he ran away to Italy with his tail between his legs he's a disgrace.

 

No it wasn't. Because if it were he'd have no further ambitions and call it quits. So by him saying just one fight is his way out of making a defense or risking a loss in a rematch.

 

How did he quit like a *****?Not very logical.2nd rate fighter that fought 3rd rate opponents at middleweight?Who-like Eugene"Cyclone" Hart,Bennie Briscoe,Willie"the Worm"Monroe,"Sugar" Ray Seales and Bobby"Boogaloo"Watts?WTF?Hearns would have "killed" him in the rematch?You're joking,right?Highly overrated?Not.Yeah,we get it.You hate Hagler.You're just not correct on anything you typed.

 

And Hearns tried to box Hagler in the 2nd round.That didn't work out too well for Tommy,either.