Haney vs Lomachenko judged by Artificial Intelligence

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  1. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    78 year old Moretti with one view angle is not better than multiple camera feeds.
     
  2. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    Only that his angle is right next to the fighters, a few meters away and can hear everything. But if you prefer shady AI - fine, I'm not arguing with that, I even support all the fans like you. Just, you should've contested long ago about Moretti and all the other old judges and referees and their positioning.
     
  3. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    115-113 Bivol against Canelo. Moretti always produces **** cards but keeps on judging.
     
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  4. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I think this just goes to confirm how close a fight it was. I notice that it’s not just Tim Bradley but also Shakur Stevenson after rewatching the fight said it was a very close fight that could have gone either way. The judges are to be congratulated on not being swayed by the crowd and correctly scoring the fight they saw. All this rubbish about a robbery is BS and is in fact rubbish.
     
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  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The guy from DAZN, AK, had an interesting take. He said when he saw it live, he had Loma winning, watched it a second time with Haney winning then a third time and it was a draw.

    Damn close fight. I'll watch it one of these days, but for now, I'm keeping my view open to all points.
     
  6. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not possible to give Haney more than 6 rounds. Also impossible to give Lomachenko fewer than 6 rounds.
     
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  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wonder that too. Is it based on how far back the head moves? If it is does it take into account slips and rolled punches?
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Good stuff. The people know who won and like I keep saying a lot of the shots the casuals and DKSAB brigade who are attracted to Haney like flies to poop or live in his poop like maggots think are landing or they are desperate to see land aren't actually landing or landing near as clean as their untrained eyes think they are.

    But I guess it's to be expected from clowns who actually genuinely believed Haney's skill level is not only on Loma's level but far superior to his when in reality he's not even in the same stratosphere as Loma's and the only reason he was even competitive with him is because he weighs four divisions more than Loma and is way bigger and longer and obviously because Loma is 35 and past his prime :facepalm:
     
  9. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    When Floyd was 36 years old and way past his physical prime he was giving Canelo a boxing lesson outclassing him. Loma at 30 in his prime was losing to Teofimo Lopez and losing at age 35 to Haney in a life and death struggle. If Haney was missing as you say why was Loma’s face blooded at the end and his body purple from Haney’s body shots
    If he was so dominant that Haney was hardly touching him?
     
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  10. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1st time I watched the fight I thought Loma won.
    2nd time I watched I thought Haney lost.
    3rd time I watched I thought it was a draw.
    4th time I watched I thought Bradley won.
    5th time I watched I though Morretti won and laughed all the way to the bank. Can we get AI to buy him some glasses.
     
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  11. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior VIP Member Full Member

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    Nope the goes to big mc the fury slayer
     
  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    10 time i watched the fight Loma still was robbed.
    99% of the population knows Loma won the fight, more than 90% on here also agreed with them.
    Yet some biased trolls can say whatever they wanna say to make them feel good. That won't change the fact that Loma was robbed.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Of the 20 experts and boxing insiders (staff members, fighters, trainers, scribes, managers, promoters, matchmakers, commentators etc) who were asked to share their predictions for the fight by The Ring Magazine 16 picked Haney to win and only 3 picked Loma (1 undecided)

    Final Tally: Haney 16-3-1

    Of the 18 experts they asked who they thought won the fight 13 had Loma winning and only 4 had Haney

    Final Tally: Lomachenko 13-4-1 and one undecided
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    So, the AI saw what I saw. Good to know my ability to judge a boxing match and in real time, perceive what punches are actually landing and from who, is on the level of a computer. The rest of you who thought it was a draw or Haney won, sharpen your asses up or get some glasses. You're all woefully inadequate scorers.
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Russ Anber

    'Anber believes the judges are ignorant of the mastery of Lomachenko and others such as three-weight world champion and recent Hall of Fame inductee Juan Manuel Marquez.

    “I don’t know what they were looking at,” he said bluntly. “I’ve said this before, many years ago regarding Juan Manuel Marquez. I don’t think – I won’t say all – that judges are equipped to understand the subtilties of great fighters and Juan Manuel Marquez was the victim of some terrible close decisions that he should have won only because the judges don’t appreciate his fine-tuned ability in the ring. They don’t see it. They’re not skilled enough, they don’t have the gym experience, they don’t have the training experience, fighter experience, they have no idea what he’s doing in there and it’s hard to give points to that when they don’t understand what somebody is doing.”



    I agree with him but they're also just corrupt as hell

    Also

    “There’s two kinds of robberies, you have the absolute corrupt, one million percent job that’s pulled on you where a guy wins 10 of the 12 rounds and they don’t give it to him,” he said. “Everybody sees that’s a robbery and that’s happened in boxing but just because a fight is close doesn’t mean there isn’t a clear winner.

    “In this case, while the fight was competitive, it was clear who was controlling the fight, who was controlling the action, who was making the fight happen, who was the affective aggressor, who was landing more punches, who was throwing more punching, all that into Loma’s side. It can be a robbery when you see a clear winner. It doesn’t mean the fight wasn’t competitive, but it doesn’t mean you can say ‘Oh well, it wasn’t a robbery because you can go the other way.’ No, you can’t because you can’t find seven rounds for Devin Haney to say he unequivocally won seven rounds. You can certainly find seven rounds for Loma.”

    “It was only afterward where I said, ‘This is the politics of boxing.'” said Anber before continuing. “And I explained to him, he’s too skilled for the people judging him, they don’t appreciate his talent, they don’t appreciate the subtitles he does, they don’t appreciate he can block a punch and inch from his face, they don’t appreciate that he can catch a shot on the elbow. Haney landed a few good body shots, I’m not taking that away, but you can’t turn around and pick the four, five, six, seven body shots that cleanly landed on Loma as the deciding factor that he was the fight. That doesn’t cut it for me.

    “I told him nobody can take away the accomplishments you’ve done, you’re a three-division world champion, you fought almost all your professional fights – save three – for world titles. You’re a two-time Olympic gold medalist.”


    “It just seems when you go back on his career and the controversies that have surrounded his loses, nobody’s even given this guy a chance to avenge any of it. Why doesn’t Loma get his chance? He never got his chance at [Orlando] Salido, who came in overweight and played speedball with Loma’s nutsack and then you had the Teofimo [Lopez] fight which for all intents and purpose should have been a rematch, but they refused and avoided a rematch. The scoring was atrocious there, not to say Lopez didn’t win the fight, I think that 12th round might have sealed the victory, best I think you could say is a draw for Lomachenko.

    “And now you have this one. There’s nobody of note, all the boxing minds, the guys who understand the game, the fighters, even people who picked Haney to win thought Loma won.”
     
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