Has Mayweather surpassed Whitaker?

Nope, that would be you, by a long shot.

Chavez was 2 pounds above his longest reigning weight, and was not fighting a bigger fighter, so what harm did Welterweight do him? Answer? None, Whitaker did the harm. Nelson was still a better win than someone like Corrales or Castillo, and I'd pick him to beat both of them. I explained the DLH point, I and many others consider that a win for Whitaker, if you don't, fine, but Whitaker's other wins more than make up for it.

Well, that's where you're wrong, which is the entire argument.

I included their TOP wins, notice I didn't include Whitaker's wins like Mayweather, Paez, Hurtado, Nazario, Lomeli, etc, which are all better than N'Dou or Manfredy.

This right here exposes your lack of knowledge. McGirt was a top 5 P4P fighter in their first Whitaker fight, and I believe still top 10 in the rematch. Castillo was never top 10 P4P, in his entire career. McGirt was also a more skilled fighter period. But based on ranking at the time, no questions asked, McGirrt was clearly a better win, and much less controversial as well. You cannot argue otherwise.

As I mentioned it.

You're the one claiming Castillo is a better win than McGirt. You do realize Hernandez was at the tail end of his career, and in fact that was his last fight, don't you? This was no prime Hernandez.

Again, I was mentioning TOP WINS, not second tier schlubs who made their name off fighting Floyd.

Judah is a B level fighter at best, this should be common knowledge by now. Again, not a top win, but we'll get into second tier wins if you want, considering Whitaker's first tier wins clearly hold the edge.

All second tier wins.

Let's compare second tier wins now that we've done first tier shall we?

Whitaker

-Hurtado(a much more difficult opponent to beat style wise than any Mayweather has faced, and this was a past his prime Pea as well)
-Rivera(hey, if you're gonna include N'Dou and Manfredy, I can include Rivera)
-Pineda(140 pound champion, huge hitter, KO artist, Whitaker dominated him, Zab Judah barely squeaked a UD against him when Pineda was 38 years old or thereabouts)
-Paez
-Nazario(fresh off KO win over Rosario, Whitaker KO'd him in the first round)
-Pendleton
-Lomeli
-Haugen(one of the top 135-140 pounders of the day, Whitaker COMPLETELY outclassed him)
-Mayweather(the Mexicutioner, only thing that kept him from being one of the best of the 80's was his chin, but Whitaker dominated him in the boxing sense anyways.

Mayweather

-Baldomir(beat B level Judah and C level Gatti)
-Judah(B level, always falters against the elite)
-Mitchell(shot)
-Gatti(shot and never above B level)
-Corley and N'Dou(only included them because you wanted me to)
-Sosa(decent fighter, good win style wise)
-Chavez(much harder time with him than should've, but good win)
-Hernandez(made name off fighting Mayweather with a broken hand, but good fighter)
-Augustus(not as good as Pendleton, but a good fighter, always loses to the best though)
-Manfredy(decent fighter)

Still?

That's where you're wrong. When you said Castillo was easily a better win than McGirt(when in fact it's the other way around) and made it out to seem ridiculous, that was in fact you trying to bull****, not me. Anyone who knows about either of the two at the time knows McGirt was MUCH higher regarded. In fact, a lot of why Castillo is rated so high is because of how he performed against Floyd.

 

Explain. I see it as a clear Pea win, as do most analysts who see more than speed against B level fighters.

 

PWNED :rofl

 

Sweet pea, your a dilusional pernell fan, Chavez looked at his best h2h at lightweight against Rosario , you know this. Castillo is a far better win than you say, you are mad.

And last but not least, i never mentioned Gatti, Hatton or Sosa because i dont believe these fights are not of the best to my argument , and im not delusional like you and psychotic about proving a point (the way you have done with Whitakers not so great wins).
I also never mentioned Corley , but you went and did that for me to dig more of a whole for yourself
So - you are wrong whooooaaaayyye !!!

 

It's spelled "delusional" but I don't expect your knowledge of spelling and grammar to be any better than your boxing knowledge.

And I'll take that whole post as the old "I just got owned, have nothing to back myself up with, and am going to resort to insults instead" card.:good

Chavez did look at his best at LW. Whitaker also looked his best at LW. What is your point? I PROVED the Castillo win was not as good as the McGirt win, and instead of trying(you would have failed anyways) to prove otherwise, you basically said "Nuh uh, whatever dude, you're crazy, Castillo was better you dummy, because I said so".

As for your last paragraph, I am the one who tried to make Whitaker's second tier(and I did refer to them as second tier by the way) wins look good? You're the first one to bring up Mayweather's wins over NOBODIES like N'Dou and act as if they needed to be mentioned. SO in fact, you're the one who brought it up chief.

You should've just conceded defeat in the argument, now you just look like a bitter crybaby.:-(

 

You are a funny guy , YOU are telling me that im resorting to name-calling ? You're notorious for it. You did this thing first, you first tried to get a fast win by saying Whitaker fought DeLaHoya in a fight which he lost and brought up lightweight Azumah Nelson. I proved i was right simply by bringing up the big names Mayweather beat. Corrales in his prime is top of the range, Castillo - you proved nothing , were comparing Castillo and McGirt here ? p4p h2h Castillo beats him.

You have bigged up everything Whitaker did, and downtalked every decent win of Mayweather's, which is something i have not done here Mr. DELUSIONAL Pernell fan.

 

McGirt is, was and always will be a better fighter than Castillo not that I want to get invloved in your scrap a great deal. Just thought I should say that :good

 

**** Buddy McGirt. H2H, I think it's close between Castillo and McGirt. I would give Castillo the edge as far as resume is concerned.

 

I dont even wanna be involved in this anyway , i dont even like PBF one bit , just that i had my opinion.

But, you cant say that Castillo is rated on his showing against Mayweather , thats a bit silly , i think maybe at least a small portion of it is for what he did against Lazcano, Casamayor, Johnston and Corrales.

You are funny , you bring spelling into a boxing debate , and then say you dont want to get involved in MY little scrap !

Castillo better than McGirt

 

You cats bringing up Castillo should also mention that Fraud got a gift decision against him.

 

H2H McGirt would beat Castillo pretty comfortably actually. He won World title's in two weight class's and was in close fights with some realy great fighters.

 

What? Spelling? I cant spell for **** what are you talking about?

 

It hurt me to say that but yes, he surpassed Withaker








:-(

 

The Rammer brings up a good point. I had Castillo winning that fight 115-113.

 

I agree. Buddy was a very good fighter :good