haye did well

Just sad that another big (Heavyweight) fight was generally very disappointing and all the casuals will moan and switch off in the future. I don't blame Haye for all his talk - I dread to think what I would say and do for 25% of what he made last night lol.

However he should have gone upped his work rate and that was the disappointing part - toe or no toe. There was no gameplan they just hoped Wlad would screw up at some point.

 

I don't think either fighter landed a huge amount, I think Haye was pretty elusive to Wlad's jab too.

I don't think it was the one sided domination some claim, but I came into the fight with the belief that Haye would get crushed.

The rounds were hardly one sided beat downs and with just a bit more activity I think it could have been scored a lot closer.

I think Haye punches from range something he can't really do against Wlad because of the size disparity. Also, punching upwards seemed to be an issue, Wlad seemed to block some of Haye's punches arm for arm, with a crossing/tangling of arms. Most strange.

Haye's biggest issue at this weight though I think is his lack of activity. He takes a holiday half the time.

 

Great post.

Haye is levels below Wlad. He's on the same tier as the 'bums' he derided for so many years.

 

Haye didn't do as bad as people are saying. It's reaching to say he did well, but certainly not as bad as some people are making out. What makes people have this reaction is the big expectations. When the hysteria dies down and people watch it again with clear eyes they might see it a little different.

The problem was the goals he was trying to achieve and the way he was going about it. That's what always kept me from thinking Haye would win this fight. If you're relying on finding the KO punch you don't do some of the things he was doing. He was telegraphing EVERYTHING and wasn't following up. Those early rounds were key and he kind of let Wlad set into a rhythm. You could see how concerned Manny Steward was because he knew if Haye took the play away in those early rounds Wlad would've been in for a hard night.

The mistake Haye was making was when he attacked with those looping single punches and had Wlad moving back on the defensive. Haye would give up all initiative by jumping back too far out. This allowed Wlad to get back his poise and get into a positive body rythm. The disappointment from Haye's point of view is that Wlad wasn't doing anything great in those early rounds.

The jab was always gonna be crucial in the fight. Wlads jab is so educated with so much variety that it means he doesn't need to land it for it to be effective for him. Even if he wasn't landing that jab as much as usual, he was throwing change-ups on it, meaning he would feint with it and throwing a lot of whats known as the space making jab. This kept Haye occupied and distracted. He was just made to think to much before throwing.

Wlad's footwork also surprised Haye. Wlad's feet kept him from getting caught with the first bumrush. He simply stepped back and because Haye didn't follow up after the first initial bumrush it was enough to get him to fall short.

Watching those first 4 rounds again you notice how many times Haye loses initiative by jumping too far out and not following up his right hand with a left hook. He was fighting too panicky but once he took Wlads right hand you would've thought he'd feel more confident. He really didn't trust his toughness in this fight, he was worried about an embarrasing blow out early and seemed content to go the distance in the end.

His best chance was to anticipate Wlads punches and swim against the tide in an exchange, hoping to get his shot off first. But he never had the confidence and technique to pull that off.

 

I picked wlad by KO, so by haye taking a few good shots and also showing excellent reflexes in slipping punches, he did more than I thought he was capable of defensively.

Offensively he didn't do as well as I thought he would, even with his disadvantages he wasn't brave enough to get right in there. I know it's easier said than done, but he should've showed more willingness.

So overall, it was more negative than good. But I could see why some might say he did well.

In a rematch, if he can brake the shackles and really get close, he could beat wlad. Maybe with a different ref, when wlad was hit in the 12th they would have been split apart and haye allowed to continue his assault. Wlad would still be favourite but haye gives him a relatively more sterner test than most other HW out there

 

The problem is that people are to easily manipulated by the promotion of fights and don't look at the boxing side of things for what it really is. You've seen how cautious Haye has been at heavyweight... and wlad is just Wlad. I personally thought it would end probably end early but wasn't surprised that it ended up being so cagey.

This also wasn't a boring fight, it wasn't especially good either but better than than Valuev or Harrison nights. It just shows how much winning comes into it.

 

Good post.

 

As you say he didnt actually put up a bad showing. He dodged a lot of punches making Wlad miss and his chin held up when he was caught. As silly as it sounds that was probably the closest fight Klitschko has had in years. But because Haye talked so much trash in the build up he looks stupid now. Its a shame, although without the trash talking the fight wouldnt have been anywhere near as big as it was.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Just watching the HBO coverage and i think Larry was expecting Joe Frazier to appear, LOL! seems like it was the first time he's seen Haye judging from what he was coming out with.

He was dumbfounded as to why Haye wasn't fighting on the inside, because he's really good on the inside, apparently.