Haye has ZERO chance vs. Wladimir or Vitali and he knows it

yer just stupid dude thats not why brew. one that fight atsch
drugs found in wlad look at his eyes and tell me he was'nt druged like they said he was:tired

 

The Klit love is beyond funny now, Haye vs Wad is slightly favoured towards the latter. Wlad is far from unbeatable and if Haye lands early whats stopping Wlad pissing his pants.

 

Thats not what I was saying

I have ragged on Wlad for being too cautious in the past ( perhaps because I used to be a big fan ! ) he is stronger and faster than almost everyone he fights but he more often than not fights as if he is the one facing the bigger stronger man.

And I was giving Haye the benefit of the doubt because he is usually very aggresive but he was fighting a guy he could barely reach so his caution gets a pass this time !

i dont understand what is so complicated about that ?

 

thats because and im sad to say it's mostly about the color of Wlads skin tell me im wrong

 

When Wlad fights a guy where he is not the bigger , stronger man in the ring he can be as cautious as he likes and he'll get no **** from me

 

and what will Haye do when Wlad land a crushing lefthook? we could play this game all day.... everyone keeps mentioning Hayes power and Wlad chin..... DONT FORGET Wlads power and Hayes chin as well:good

 

PLEASE. Wlad has faced guys much better then Valuev... funny how Valuev was "easy money for Haye" before the fight and now after Haye wins, you guys are making Valuev out to be #1 ATGnut

I give Haye credit for the win... but lets be serious about Valuev:good

 

Dimitrenko isn't good, agreed, but probably as good as Valuev, he is 6'8 with a long reach and better skills and speed than Valuev. Chambers played with Dimitrenko, I find that more impressive than beating Valuev with less vigor than ancient Holyfield.

Arreola kept coming for ten rounds despite having 800 punches thrown at him, that beats dancing around Valuev, who doesn't hit as hard let alone as much as Vitali. I have no reason to doubt that Arreola would have beaten up Valuev and that he would have smashed every cruiserweight Haye ever faced.

Wlad is horrible to watch is subjective. I like a methodicaboxing clinic like Wlad against Chagaev at least as much as a fight that is competitive because one fighter is sloppy, like Haye against Fragomeni, where he gave his advantages away for much of the fight. I never said Haye has no chance against Wlad, of course he does, but Wlad at his best dominated fighters that would make things very competitive with the best version of Haye we have seen so far. Wlad's speed is seriously underrated, a tall man will never look as fast as a smaller man. He is definitely harder to hit that Haye, Fragomeni or Mormeck would never land a punch on Wlad. Maybe Haye is capable of a serious upgrade in his performance level when he faces a Klitschko, but he would need that to win.

 

Maybe... for some people I think you are right....very sad

 

this is true, thats why its a pick em fight:good

 

:good:good
I hope the fight happens, but I have my doubts

 

Chef , Im trying to be respectful because its good that a guy so close to the champ (and he is the true champ) comes on here and I for one appreciatte it.

All my point was is that if Haye had been enjoying the same advantages that Waldimir usually does and still fought as negatively as he did against Valuev then I would be giving him the same ****.

Haye v Wlad is a GREAT fight because they are both strong but both vulnerable and yeah Wlad showed the heart of a Champ by agreeing to the fight in the first place ( the pull out has been done to death so I'm leaving that there ) I know you believe your guy would win ( as you should ) while I reckon haye is all wrong for him.

thats all I'm trying to say !

 

If they both have power and vunerable punch resistance then surely speed will be a big factor. This kind of rubbishes the 'zero chance' statement no?

 

Dude thats absolutely fair.

Your right, the very best Wlad can be is a ****ing dangerous man I just wish he would show it more !!!!!

 

to be fair i think its unfair that people crucify haye for pulling out when he was going to earn no money from the potential bout

when it happens it should be good:smoke