Haye vrs Cunningham?

How is he more than just established then? What's he done bar pickup a vacated ABC? Name calling doesn't add credability to your posts. I want to know in what way he's established and worth going this overboard about?

He wouldn't be fighting the highest rated guy, he already did that and beat him in Paris in front of Mormeck's home fans (Paris is not in England either FYI).

So, onto point three where again you use lame insults to get your point accross... how exactly does fighting Mormeck, the best man at cruiser and not bothering with Cunningham to go for the recognised best at heavy lose respect from you? You call me dumb, yet fail to see the glaring inconsistency in your rhetoric. You respect guys that fight and want to fight the best, well how about Steve Cunningham moves upto heavy then? Haye made his intentions clear, he wasn't supposed to be fighting Enzo yet stuck around to make a BIG British domestic fight... Cunningham can pick up some more vacated belts now. Go Steve :nut

My comprehention level is high enough to see that you are nothing more than a troll and are pulling out all the stops to make a lame case for Haye ducking Cunningham or not being undisputed. Haye may not be undisputed, I agree that he'd need the IBF for that too, however I dont really care and nor does anyone else, because it seems there is only 2 people that dont think he deserves to be called the man at cruiser... majority rules on this one unfortunately. So therefore why take the fight? You can make a case either way, but in the end I think most people would prefer to see him fight at HW as that's where the prestige is. Again, pretty basic stuff if you can look past your anal cavity and see the light.

You call yourself a fan and want to see good fights... yet you see Cunningham as a bigger fight than going up to HW to garner a shot at the world recognised HW champ(s)? Paycheck or not I know what the majority of fans would rather see. Yeah it's a shame he didn't stick around, but lets face it, if boxers listened to moronic fans they would never move division as they would be ducking someone or something, even if they clean out the division then they are ducking someone from another division... you'll hate regardless, the stupidity never ends.

 

yes becuase haye was after bigger things, i know you might be cunninghams brother or something but he is a complete nobody, he is probably the least well known champion in boxing. All of is big fights have been abroad becuase hardly anyone in america gives a **** about him becuase he is a boring fighter. Haye has always said he wanted to fight at heavyweight so what does cunningham have to offer a 6 month delay on him embarking on his heavyweight quest, he only took the macca fight for money and to help build up his british fanbase for his heavyweight title quest. Cunningham offers nothing to haye in these terms, cunningham is obviously a failry decent boxer but is a level below haye and doesn't have the exitement or the style to get anyone intrested in a fight between the two. If haye had wanted to stay at cruiser and then not foguht cunningham it would have been a bad move but instead he has moved to heavyweight for a real challenge, before you pipe on about monte barret i have no doubts he would beat cunningham

 

BigReg, I read your posts frequently and you come off as a ***** quite often. In this thread however, I began to think you were being unbiased and not just sticking up for your local fighter. Comments about Haye purely taking the Enzo fight because it was easy just make you sound like a ***** again. You've fuelled your posts with facts and made a point earlier of saying "what did I say that was a lie?" then put forward OPINION on Haye taking the Enzo fight because it was easy.

Someone else mentioned Eubank v Benn and that's exactly why people wanted the fight. Slate Haye by all means, but you don't understand why that fight took place.

Cheerio.

 

I'm not making value judgements here, I'm stating what is pretty much an objective fact.

Haye had been going on about fighting at heavyweight his whole boxing life and that is clearly a big motivation and inspiration for him.

In view of that, staying at CW to fight another title fight against another beltholder clearly was not the kind of attraction for him than otherwise it may have been.

 

That was me... and it's because he's American... I see it from both sides having moved to the UK and understand the importance to the Brits of a big domestic dust up. I dont mean this to sound harsh, but in Britain there's not that many good fighters in the same weight class that bring excitement annd are able and willing to fight each other, so when you get two big domestic names in the same weight class it becomes a HUGE event. BigRed simply wont be able to comprehend this expectation of British boxers. If you're both big in your class, be it hype or legit, you have to fight, the public demands it. For all intents and purposes Haye was already a HW that night, his mind was on being a HW, this was more taking care of business.

 

HAYE WOULD HAVE WON BY ****. The fight could still happen if Cunningham ever decides to move up to HW.

 

He's the no.1 rated cruiser and he's beaten several top 10 fighters. Name another fighter at crusier who's beaten 4 top 10 guys

I know where the hell Pairs is. Anyway, Cunningham was the next highest rated Haye after Haye beat Mormeck(Cunningham as actually rated ahead of Haye before that).

Never once did I say I lost respect for Haye for moving up to heavy. You claimed I wouldn't give Haye credit for beating Cunningham and I responded by saying that Cunningham is one of the best in the divison, and I respect guys who fight the best.

The only inconsistencies are the ones you create by changin what I said or claiming that I made a point that I never made.

Cunningham is not a HW. He walks around at about 195.

You missed the point entirely, which is not surprising.

Never once did I say ducked Cunningham. Try again. This thread is about why the two never fought and I've given valid reasons. That hardly makes me a troll. Then again, you don't even know what a prospect is.

Never once did I claim he wasn't "the man" at cruiser. I said he didn't clean up the divsion, which he didn't

Because Haye claimed he wanted to be the undisputed champ at CW like Holyfield. He would need to beat Cunningham to accomplish that.

Please point out one instance where I said he shouldn't go to HW. I have no problem with him going to HW. However, the Cunningham fight was still a fight worth making. If Haye didn't want the fight, so be it. However, let's not pretend it wasn't a fight worth making.

Please show me where I made this claim.

Haye didn't clean out the divsion and never once did I claim he ducked Cunningham. You're right, the stupidity never ends. The Haye fans in this thread don't seem to get it and are only interested in arguing points that were never made.

 

Hey Big Red I give you props for taking the time to let these ignorant, one way thinking people know about Cunningham. You can argue with them again and again but that is not going to change anything. Let them see what happens Dec 11 and then talk. USS is only going to get better and better. LOOK OUT!

 

You know why they never met in the ring... Haye was moving to HW... thread over. Unless Steve moves up it wont happen either, but who cares bar a few internet geeks? Cruiserweight doesn't have the glory of being a top heavy, again, the Enzo fight would not have happened if it wasn't a big British clash

 

Cunningham is a ****ing nobody, a paper champion who only had a belt due to the IBF stripping it off the true champion at the time, Bell.

Haye was already the undisputed champion when he beat Mormeck, who was undisputed, linear etc. Why stick around and fight a nobody when he already had the hype, recognition, buzz etc as the true CW champion moving up to HW, to pursue his career goals.

The Macca fight was simply for the big domestic fight, he didn't need to fight him or Cunningham, they were paper champs.

Haye would have beaten Cunningham easily anyway.

Either way, Haye is on his HW mission now, and Cunningham and the rest of the CW's are very much in the start of a new CW era, the end of the one Mormeck started when he unified the belts. Haye has taken that lineage with him, so its up to the rest to start again.

 

Typical Haye fan. You're clearly blinded by your twisted man love of Haye. Instead of admitting that Haye passed over a worthy challenger in order to make easy money against B level Macca and journayman Barrett, you try to discredit Cunningham instead. Cunningham is a well rounded fighter who has been taking on good comp for some time now. Cunningham is not a paper champ, he beat the IBF champ to get his belt. The only reason he doesn't have 3 belts is because Bell refused to fight him and sat around and fought no one instead. Haye is a grown man and has every right to go to HW, even without fight Cunningham. However, let's not pretend that Cunningham wasn't a worthy foe. Let's also not pretend that Haye took on Macca for any other reason but to make easy money against a subpar fighter.

 

Haye-Cunningham wouldve been an epic cruiser fight. Cunningham is abit underrated on here, while the opposite is true of Haye.

 

It was incorrect by the fact that you implied he suddenly decided to move to Heavy rather than face your boy Cunningham.
When in fact he had already decided to move to Heavy before the Mormeck fight, hence why he fought Bonin. He then said he would move back down for one last fight to go to Paris and fight Mormeck for the Ring title and the WBC and WBA.

It was classed as the undisputed title by Ring magazine and practically everyone bar Steve Cunningham, Steves Mum and you.

He said after the Mormeck fight that he would not fight Enzo Mac because he was moving to heavy. After HUGE public interest and demand for the fight and a good offer from Frank Warren, Haye agreed to one final Cruiserweight bout and made it clear that no matter what happened in the fight, it was his last at the weight.

So it has nothing to do with Cunningham and everything to do with Haye having already made his mind up long before and only agreeing to one final bout due to it being a big domestic clash with lots of interest and lots of money.

 

Firstly, at your first comment, Cunningham ****ing defines a paper champion.

He fought (and lost) for a vacated belt that belonged to the true champion. He then won it in the rematch. All the while, there was a true linear, undisputed, ring champion in the division.

Cunningham IS a paper champion, the very essence of one. That is not up for debate. So drop it.:deal

Secondly, when exactly was Cunningham Bell's IBF mando? Before or after the unification fight with Mormeck?

Either way, your claims that Cunningham SHOULD be the true CW champion, because of course he would have definately beaten Bell for all three belts are just desperate.

And thirdly, Haye was WBC mandatory for at least a year before he got Mormeck, so its not like he 'jumped the queue'. And even if he did, so what, he beat the linear champ and rose to the top. Cunningham on the other hand lost to Wlodarscxytzcks.

Still, as the mighty BigReg tells us, Cunningham should be the real 3 belt champion, because he would have beaten Bell, and Bell was just too much of a ***** to fight him, and Haye jumped in line for his shot at the belts, so really, Cunningham is the true CW champion.:nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut

 

Wrong, that's not my implication at all. Haye had been talking about going to HW for a while. He could've fought Cunnungham instead of Macca, he could've fought Cunningham in May or June and still have made his HW debut in Nov. However, he chose otherwise.

I'm not disputing this. However, we all know Mormeck wasn't his last CW fight.

Undisputed ecompasses unifying the WBA/WBC and IBF titles. That's what Haye's idol Evander Holyfield did. That's the guy whose accomplishments Haye wants to mimmick.

Of course he said that. I'm not disputing this either. None of this changes the fact that he didn't clean up the division and he was never truly the undisputed champ at CW.

This is not surprising, Haye fans have a ton of excuses. Fans always have excuses for why their guy skipped of worthy opponents. Look how many Hatton fans justify him avoiding Witter. That would've been a huge domestic clash with lots of interest as well. Macca is not as good as Cunningham and not as accomplished. If Haye were to have fought Cunningham instead Macca, it would've been for the true undisputed championship.

Cunningham would've taken less money, and Haye still would've gotten paid very handsomely. If he had fought Cunningham after Macca, the aren would've been more packed than it was when he fought Barrett. Hopkins is the only man to have unified all 4 belts. That would've been a tremendous accomplisment if did the same. That fight could've really been built up and would've generated a lot of money for Haye. If he wins, the interest in him at HW would be even greater. So let's not pretend tha tCunningham wasn't a worthwhile fight because it certainly would've been.