Haye vrs Cunningham?

Cunningham does not interest people. He's a decent fighter, he does most things pretty well, but he does not excite anyone. People are more interested in what Haye is doing at heavyweight, so Haye made the correct decision. It's not as if he left the division to avoid a huge threat, its similar to when Bute picked up Calzaghe's belt.

I'm sure Haye would have won that fight.

 

A paper champ is someone who gets their title without beating the champ. That's not what happened in Cunningham's case.

He still beat the IBF champ, and the linear champ refused to fight him.

The hell it isn't. You don't even know what a paper champ is.

After the first fight with Mormeck, Bell was mandated to fight Cunningham 4 months later. Bell refused, was stripped, fought no one for the next 10 or 11 months and then rematched Mormeck.

My belief is that Cunningham would've beat Bell. Of course, I don't know this for sure. However, Bell refused to let it happen and fought no one instead.

Cunningham's loss to Wlodarczyck was very questionable. The IBF demanded a rematch and Cunningham won.

Another Haye fan arguing points that I never made. Bell ducked Cunningham, that's a fact. It's my belief that Cunningham would've beat Bell. Now Haye became the linear champ legitimately. However, I believe that he would've had to beat Cunningham to get that distinction had Bell fought Cunningham like he was supposed to.

 

TFFP, you're usually a good poster but you're talking out of your ass here. Cunningham is more than just a decent fighter and a fight to unify all 4 belts would definately draw people's interest. That fight would've been sold out in the U.K had it happened. You claim that no one in the U.K knew who Mayweather was, yet his fight with Hatton smashed the U.K PPV record. Haye is a draw in the U.K and people will come out to see him if he's in a big fight. How about we just excuse every top fighter who decides to avoid worth challengers because he claims they aren't big enough names. I guess Mayweather was completely justified in never fighting Cotto or Margo seeing as how they just recently got some name recognition. Let's excuse Hatton for not fighting Witter as well.

Haye going to HW is fine. However, he still skipped over damn good fighter, never truly cleaned out the divsion, and was never truly undisputed.

 

the comparison to Calzaghe and Bute is very legit. The situations are very similar.

Except that Calzaghe moved up straight for the top spot at 175.

 

Because Haye would of flattened him,also,the fight would never sell good esp in Britain for that reason.Cunningham would be too easy meat for him.

 

50/50 fight, Haye did stuggle like all hell with an old Mormeck, whom USS would have destroyed.

Nobody ducked anyone though, haye is looking for big fights at HW and Steve is looking to solidify his #1 standing at 200 lbs.

 

to me its simple economics.

if cunningham wanted haye. he should have offered haye £1,000,000 to fight him as warren had to offer haye in order for haye to fight his fighter macranelli on warrens card.

if cunningham had offered haye the money then the fight would have taken place.


obviously it would have been a huge loss financially for team cunningham , but sometimes that is what you have to do to promote your fighter and get his name up there.

 

You drink a black and tan yet?

 

i asked an irish mate about it .

he told me they call it a half & half over here.

but if i drunk a single pint of it i would most probably be staggering home if my teens were anything to go bye.

 

What did I say that was incorrect here?

My opinion is that Cunningham is a decent fighter, nothing more. He hasn't shown anything that special to me. That's not to say that he's unworthy of fighting Haye, had Haye decided to stay at cruiser it was the logical fight, however nobody does actually care about Cunningham outside of a few. How many people talk about him? How many people are talking about Haye's run at heavyweight?

He may not of been undisputed, but he was lineal, held 3/4 belts, was recognised as the man and has gone on in search of a bigger challenge.

Haye said he was undisputed, boohoo. Haye says a lot of things, but for me his actions have been the right ones.

 

Cunningham would not draw ANY interest over here in the UK at all, boxing is not big on the agenda when you have soccer, so that is the most idiotic and generalised BS comment so far.

Mayweather was known because of the interviews, the trash talking brash persona of him and his trainer... basically people knew who he was because he was fighting Hatton, otherwise only the hardcore would know about him. Boxing is not mainstream here, it's on a PPM station or box office with little other than adverts or news stations to hype it... well, if it aint Hatton it gets little attention over here.

You make out like Haye ducked him, but he has no reason to, he takes on big challenges and has shown that by beating the man that counted... there really is no reasoning with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you on experience... so on that note I'm now bored of dealing with you.

 

What delusion. atsch

No wonder people can't wait to see Haye KTFO by Vitali. :rofl

 

Good idea, you don't seem to know much about the sport anyway. Perhaps you should stick to soccer.

 

That's bull**** sean and you know it. Williams offered Margo $4 million and was ignored. If a fighter wants to avoid another fighter, they'll do it regardless of money. People act like the $2 mill was the only reason Haye fought Macca. He did it not just for the money but also because he knew Macca would be easy work. Conversely, Cunningham would be a tough fight for him. Even if $2 mill were offered from team Cunningham, the chance of Haye losing is great enough that he would've probably passed in order to look for big money fights at HW.

 

Lots of ifs and probablys there. Simple fact is they didn't make an offer.

Personally I don't see Cunningham as having any of the attributes that one would be looking for in an opponent to trouble Haye. Maccarinelli was more dangerous.