Hearns vs Monzon @ 160

You know you're on a forum crippled by Monzon nuthuggery when the implication that he might be in a 50/50 fight with a top-level ATG is met with mocking laughter.

 

Another thing worthy of consideration is Monzon's defence. It's based around prevention rather than cure, i.e. stop your man getting off rather than letting him get off and then dealing with it. Monzon relies on keeping distance or out-timing his opponents to avoid getting hit, and doesn't have the skill set to engage somebody when those advantages are stolen away through foot-work, speed or better technique. In that situation, you're pretty much left with nothing and are very easy to hit. Depending on how Hearns comes out it's entirely possible we could see something like this

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I'm disappointed, by the way, PP, that you're sitting on the fence like this; looks like all these "Escopetards" have started to compromise your objectivity :-(

 

True, I thought about not writing "hurt" but "KOed" instead. Freud´s a *****.

See the point 3 and you have the proof for it.

 

Look again. Especially the part I highlighted. That´s what I laughed at. And I still do. Hearns had all those advantages you mentioned over Hagler too. Did it help him? And Monzon is on the same mold.

 

Ignoring the last statement, you are both right ... this is why it is an interesting match up ... However, given Monzon's chin I see him coming on late and stopping Hearn's lit he did Nno the fist time ..

 

No, he's not. Hagler has a consistent mechanism for getting inside: granite beard, shorter fighter, invasive pressure, high workrate, ability to slip/block and counter, etc. Monzon has none of those things (or at least, not to the extent Hagler did). They're two completely different fighters.

 

Monzon by a nasty KO, Monzon was too strong, also, hearns best weight were 147, 154 Tommy´s size, power or reach wouldn´t be an advantage over Monzon who was pretty tall himself, had an iron chin, he was one of the best ring generals ever and had incredible power even though people didnt notice that because he never really looked for the KO. Also, dont tell me that hearns can knock monzon out he couldnt even knocked leonard who is much smaller than Monzon and he didnt have monzon´s chin, without taking nothing of leonard cause he was one of the best fighters ever. MONZON IS TOO STRONG FOR HEARNS AND HIS CHIN WASNT THAT GOOD.

 

I like Monzon by late stoppage. No easy fight, and he probably gets tagged a few times. But his physical strength, which he'd use to dominate in the clinches would wear Tommy down. Leonard and Hagler caught hell trying to get Tommy in the proper range but I think Monzon's size and his mastery of range would make a difference.

 

There wouldn't be any clinches.

 

Why is it that any time Hearns is involved in a H2H matchup with anybody that has above average power..... many people just automatically pick him to lose by stoppage?

 

I think PowerPuncher's original analysis is a good one, the only thing i don;t see happening is Hearns stopping Monzon (i just don't see it quite materialising). The analysis is good though, it's right on the money on paper anyway. I reckon Monzon would stop him late personally. It's very difficult though because as much as everyone makes out that the 147 Hearns was a wizard boxer, he wasn't, but the 154 version and subsequently the 160 version was a much more composed and matured technical boxer. This would make life very hard for Monzon in my opinion. I don't quite think that Hearns would be shutting out Monzon, i think Monzon would likely stop him late when exerting an all out attack, likely countering a jab with a right to signal the beginning of the end.

 

I think Monzon would eat a lot of right hands; a diet that was very hard to digest.

 

Would be horrible to watch. A bout that would make your eyes hurt. Stylistical mismatch. No-one would know what Monzon is doing in there, but Monzon himself. While Hearns desperately jabs his a$$ off, trying to use his height. After about 6 Hearns starts to feel the air in his lungs. Monzon going for the kill. Either that or Hearns jabbin himself to a painful SD.

 

They don't. Not the well-informed or observant ones at least. The majority of the people here on Classic who pick Monzon to stop or KO Hearns will have observed that Monzon has the two-fisted power, shot selection, timing and strength in the championship rounds to do so. Tommy wasn't as durable as Griffith, Benvenuti or Napoles (though I'll concede the latter was grossly outsized against Monzon) even if some casual fans of the sport underrate his punch resistance based on the losses to Leonard, Hagler or Barkley.