Heavyweight Top Ten

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  1. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WK was 39 years old and had been professional 19 years already.
    Lewis was retired by that age/stage.
     
  2. dinovelvet

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    Lewis was 38 , under prepared and in worse condition than Wlad against what the majority would claim was a much greater opponent than Tyson Fury.

    Nothing on Wlads record would suggest he'd ever throw down like Lewis did in order to retain his belts. His pitiful performance took him right out of the the ATG discussion right there and then. How many times did Lewis ever turn his back and run away from the combat?
    The two times he became champ his career was against Byrd and Manny said 90'S Byrd wouldn't be good enough to cut it as a sparring partner back then - but in Wlads era he was a two time champion.
    He isn't remotely close to Lewis in greatness , never mind actually greater than him . :qmeparto::nut:
     
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    * I think Tyson Fury's perhaps better than you're giving him credit for.
    Fury was awkward and smart.
    Do you think Vitali Klitschko was much better than Fury ? Is that what you think ?

    * Wlad dominated Byrd twice, so I don't see your point there.

    * Also, Lennox Lewis became champ the first time because WBC declared him champ ...... the second time they matched him with a crack-addict having a mental breakdown ..... and the third time Lewis KO'd Rahman (not exactly an ATG).
     
  4. dinovelvet

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    WK was a 40 fight seasoned world champ while Lewis was active. . The notion of him ever facing Lewis was totally infeasible.
    He was the Bute, Stevenson or Wilder of the time. Sitting on the side lines avoiding every top name in the sport.
    And while doing so he still manged to get himself knocked out TWICE.
    To rank him above Lewis can't is a comment that can't be taken seriously. Even Mendoza will tell yoiu that and all he does is follow Klitschko.
     
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  5. Mendoza

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    Catching up a bit and posting on my I phone. To be brief Kurupt, fighters can get better in their mid to late 30's.

    Walcott, and Vitali klitschko were better in their late 30's compared to their early 30's. Don't you agree?

    You might also make a case for Moore, Foreman and Hopkins.

    The definition of a shot fighter or fighter on the decline is partly this. He looses to guys he would have beaten in his prime! Agreeed?

    Fitz smashed contenders well past his 36th birthday. If he was shot or past it this would not have happened. History shows us this so it's folly to suggest he was too old at age 36 when he meet Jeffries.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Lol, check your numbers again! He signed to fight Langford then tucked tail and backed out if of a signed contact. FACT.

    There was a full thread on this. Do I need to bump it!? You'll never learn and Joe Woodman did what he could to make this fight happen!

    It's never Jonhsons fault with you. Rather transparent and embarrassing.

    But you are right. These facts have been flushed out before and there is no need to go sideways here in this thread and start over again.
     
  7. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There was absolutely no reason that Johnson would be afraid to fight Langford. They fought once and he sent Sam to the hospital. No reason to believe a rematch would be any different.
     
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  8. Perry

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    Woodman confessed to Fleischer years later that he made up stories to goat Johnson into giving Sam a title shot.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Apart from the fight didn't happen and Johnson was the champion...but I do agree with you.

    Here, I disagree. Langford himself was vocal about the improvements he made; results certainly support that position. Gaining twenty pounds is reason enough to think it would be different.

    Do you have a source for this? I ask because it is not in Clay Moyle's excellent book on Langford.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree.

    I think that Langford got a lot better after he faced Johnson.

    I also think that Johnson started to decline significantly before Langford did.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Produce a primary source to back up your lies.
    We both know you won't.
    I can back up my statements with verified quotes you can't and you won't
    You've no credibility here on this subject so f*ck off hater!
     
  12. mcvey

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    Prime for prime who do you pick?
    I know Clay Moyle ,who wrote an excellent biography on Langford picks Johnson.
     
  13. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    50 years at ringside.
     
  14. mcvey

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    No it isn't it was in an open letter that Woodman wrote to Fleischer .

    On the lines of "you got me Nat I was just trying to boost my guy ".
    I'm giving an approximation here, having come straight in from the pub, but when Johnson saw Woodman's lies he demanded the opportunity to respond .Fleischer gave him it and he wrote a two page article in the Ring refuting all Woodman's statements and citing Tad Dorgan, the boxing writer as a witness to the events.
    Langford gained twenty pounds and so did Johnson, plus he had the experience of being the champion.
    Clay Moyle did indeed write an excellent biography on Langford,and prime for prime he picks Johnson as the winner!
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I firmly disagree. Johnson mopped the floor with Langford once. It was absolutely no contest. Eye witness stated if Johnson did not let up on Langford he would have knocked him out. Same was in the hospital afterwards. All this and Langford beats an ATG in a return? Hardly.