help me make a good workout for conditioning.

then do the research and answer the questions instead of making excuses.

i did say i do 30 reps with my gloves on (1 lb weights) and i did say 40-50 reps with out weights. failure not so much but once you start getting alittle tired in the muscle you should stop. i didnt mention sets because there is only 1 set and you do that 1 set over and over again though out the day.

overhead press?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_press[/ame]

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/BBShoulderPress.html

dosnt seem to do what you claim, though in no way would i say its a bad exericise and could more then replace the front raises in working the anterior delts though i would still use light weights and do the other 3 exercises too.

 

Punching with weights is actually going to slow you down, after punching with weights you are going to feel like you are punching faster but you actually aren't. Why would you try to isolate different muscles in your shoulder? Also the one hour jog with sprints every now and then, what are you trying to achieve with that? I'm just asking, I'm genuinely curious about what your logic behind your training is. You seem to be quite focused on the shoulders when you talk about training, when throwing a correct punch the majority of the power comes from the legs, then from the core and then the arm contributes very little force of it's own. I noticed in the videos of you on the bag it was mostly arm punching/slapping, if you end up sparring someone you're going to have problems getting them to respect you in the ring.

 

How about no. 1. My boxing knowledge is entirely irrelevant. 2. it proves absolutely jack **** about anything.

And what made you come up with this rep scheme?

So once you get out of your comfort zone and start pushing yourself to improvement you should stop? But to be fair you are only using 1Lb weights so it's going to do **** all anyway.

Pointless.

You have no need whatsoever to isolate each muscle. You'll only cause imbalances. Where did you get this idea of isolating each deltoid?

And your theory on only using light weights is just, well, dumb.

 

do you hit the bag with gloves on? thats a weight. the point of punching with gloves on aka 1 lb weight isnt to increase your speed its to conditon you for boxing, to improve stamina. punching all out for a round after your muscles are still used to accelerating a 1 lb heavier weight will help you punch faster.....this whole thing really has nothing to do with the conditioning but if your going to do a round with gloves on you should do a round with out to take advantage of the feeling so you get use to being faster and become faster.

the cardio after going all out on the bag thats to improve your leg stamina beyond the rounds on the bag and rounds shadow boxing.

the isolation the shoulder muslces is to equally work the muscles in your shoulders as well as allow modifications in the event of a weakest link plus you can do the exercises any where anytime with out weights.

arm punches really? you must have a keen eye see my legs considering the camera barely goes below my waist.

a punch comes from the legs and goes all the way to the end of your hand and when you hit something your shoulder takes that impact just as when you miss something you stress the shoulder. if you want to punch really hard for a long time its best to have shoulders that can handel it.

 

It's a shame the mods here won't ban for idiocy.

 

Why do you think you need to improve leg stamina?

Do you understand what I said in my other post? Isolation DOES NOT work muscles equally. If anything isolation starts the problems or make them worse. Granted if you find a weakness isolation can be used to correct it, but you're saying go straight into isolation which is just stupid.

If we can see your hips and torso we can tell if you use your legs...

You mean strong shoulders built with heavy weight? It's impossible to build strong shoulders with 1Lb weights...

 

so you have no idea the answers to any of the questions? maybe you should try boxing.

 

The boxing knowledge questions that are entirely irrelevant? Do you keep going on about that because you have no real reason for saying these things you do? You haven't given any actual reasons as to why people should train the way you say.

Stop trying to change the subject and explain your reasoning is all I'm asking.

 

no one else gave reasons either....

you idiots cant even come up with a decent response to the thread so you have to ridicule my post.....lol pathetic.

how about instead of ridiculing my post you make a post thats 10 times better then mine and obviously in the shadow of your post no ones even going to look at my post....problem solved.

 

Calm down, gangsta.

All people have done is asked questions as to WHY. If I create a routine for someone I build it for them. I know exactly what they want and I can give a routine with lifts, weights and set and rep schemes that I know work. I can also explain to them why they are doing those specific lifts, weights and set and rep schemes.

You on the other hand cannot back up what you say. When questioned you resort to "I know more about boxing than you" which is entirely irrelevant. Give an explanation to what you've said. It's entirely wrong and that's what you've been told but as usual your monstrous ego can't take it.

 

ive given reasoning for the exercises i recommend.

on the otherhand you simply claim im an idiot whos wrong.....while you have not touched on the topic of the thread, proven you know anything about boxing, or pointed out why im wrong (aside from in your opinion that isolation exercises can cause problems).

how about you calm down, pal

and write an actual response to the topic of the thread instead of trolling my post.

 

If that's you're reasoning it's awful and wrong.

As usual.

True. I've looked at your post, thought "that sounds a bit wierd" and questioned it. As usual because of your very, very, very limited knowledge you've gone all defensive and decided to attack me.

Have I? Really? I haven't said a thing about boxing...

It's actually a fact. Unless there's an imbalance or you're a bodybuilder, isolation is somewhat pointless to an athlete.

I'm entirely calm.

You're wrong. Accept that and move on.

 

here you claim im wrong 3 whole times

really i shouldn't have even said isolation your targeting the 4 muscles but with every exercise the other muscles are still synergysts most work other deltoids, muscles in the shoulder cuff, along with traps, rhomboids, clavicle head of the pecs, teres major.

like almost like if you do 30 of each you would have 1 set of 120 reps with all the muscles in the shoulder targeted.

 

The reason isolation exercises are not beneficial Ylem, is because strength is majorly based on neurological coordination. ie, you train your muscles to move in a certain way.

If you are training your muscles to move efficiently in ways which are NOT beneficial to a boxer, then your routine, by your own definition, is not good for conditioning.

Isolation training is good for correcting weaknesses caused by injury or imbalances caused by previous isolation training.

..and I didn't say the word 'idiot' once.. oops

 

Has it sunk in yet? I'm not claiming anything, I'm telling you.

Why not? You're talking about isolating muscles, that's isolation.

And they're all used in the overhead press...

Seriously can you stop with the light weight stupidity? What don't you understand when you're told it's stupid and entirely wrong?