Heres the thing about PPV...seriously

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  1. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. If HBO is not paying anything for the fight, then who pays for the exorbitant sum of Lampley & Co., not to mention all the producers and cameramen behind the scenes? You're telling me a guy like Bob Arum who promoted Cotto's last PPV fight didn't have any money coming from HBO to use the established HBO name and product? Come on.

    Now, I think you're getting confused with PPV that is exclusively run by the promotional company. For instance, HBO didn't buy Arum's Pacquiao vs. Solis. So Top Rank had to pay for everything and make it a Top Rank PPV so it could get on TV. This is an example of a promoter not having a choice.

    Remember, if the PPV is specifically an HBO or Showtime PPV, you better believe Ross Greenburg and his counterpart at Showtime is putting their reputation on the line by sending their broadcasting crews to cover a fight they feel is worthy enough to hold the network banner.
     
  2. Kostya Zoo

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    yup there is where he's confusing it.

    It's hard to judge this sort of situation. One one hand, the fight is typically a relatively undesireable card and you have to pay for it. But on the other, at least you have the option to see it.

    BTW, I'm pretty sure that Chagaev-Ibragimov is going to be broadcast in the US via one of these independent promoter PPV's. It's too bad, I think it'd do decent numbers on FREE Showtime or HBO.

    I won't buy it.
     
  3. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

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    I don't think Warriors does a good job promoting Ibragimov. The guy has a heavyweight belt and no one knows who he is in the mainstream boxing fan consciousness. On top of that, he's not a made-for-TV fighter with his style.

    On the other hand, Chagaev comes forward and has the style of fight the average fan would support. It sucks that after a big win over Valuev, no American press really covered it enough to make the average fan care.

    Now why am I constantly talking about the "average fan?" Because it's this average fan demographic that buys the PPV, especially in terms of holding parties at your place for the guys.
     
  4. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

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    It sucks, but if Ruslan Chagaev were American (or even British), he would be more American media-accessible and easier to market to fans, especially because I think he's a lot more fun to watch than the joke that is the 2007 American heavyweight.
     
  5. Kostya Zoo

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    They also had major primetime network backing (IE - ABC, CBS, etc.).

    When was the last time that happened?
     
  6. guillermojm

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    its all about the money, if there is no money we aint watching it plain and simple! boxers, promoters, and networks dont give two shits about the fans
     
  7. ...

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    Dear fatcity,

    YOU are wrong. The reason that particular fight is PPV is because TOPRANK is doing production NOT HBO. Lets say HBO does do production, its a hell of a lot cheaper than paying a few million to be on HBO.
     
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    you need to learn how this business works. I know Morales-Diaz and Mayorga-Vargas is PPV. HBO does not have to pay a license fee to distribute it. They did not decide to put them on PPV. In both cases Arum stated he talked to the networks and they werent interested in buying the fight. Shelly finkel, Vargas manager said if neither network was interested in buying the fight, they would have to do PPV. Get it right fool.
     
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    another thing whoever said HBO made the decision to make Morales-Diaz PPV cuz they thought it was worthy is out of their mind. Ok, they feel that is PPV worthy but not fights like Margarito-Williams and Hatton-Castillo? Yeah ok...
     
  10. fatcity

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    What fight are you speaking of?The Jones fight was not a Top Rank production,it was Square Ring(Jones Co.).I don't think you understand the PPV ,distribution and promotional aspect.These are 3 differanr entities,not one.Be more specific and I will be pleased to answer accordingly.
     
  11. fatcity

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    I can't comment on the Morales fight as I have not seen the press release BUT the Vargas fight you are incorrect.Firstly,Finkel may manage Vargas BUT Main Events own all promotional rights to Vargas and they have partnered with Showtime,for a FEE and Showtime will distribute,produce and share in the revenues.
     
  12. ...

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    for that PPV yes, showtime will handle those fees, but its a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the fight for regular showtime. Thats why HBO and showtime put some fights on PPV. They dont want to buy them and pay a few million dollars when they can just spend money on production.
     
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    Im talking about the Morales fight. Jones was PPV because it had no other option other than not being seen.