Highly controversial fights that are forgotten

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Competitive fight with Eubank the better.

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      113-114
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      109-118
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s the way I remember it, hard fought with Eubank edging it.
    I don’t recall any controversy at all about the decision.
     
  3. Mike Cannon

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    Wolgast-Rivers : ref helping Wolgast to his feet, whilst counting over Rivers...
     
  4. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Then watch it again, Rocky obviously didn't agree with it and he accepted the defeat in the rematch vs. Maske and also admited that the "Tiger" had boxed fine in their second bout. Every commentator comment, when this is mentioned, as a questionable decision and even the British one didn't have Eubanks winning (although he scored generous for him, even around the end).

    I didn't watch it live, but just about one decade ago and only with the English commentary (the German had obvious Rocchigiani in front).
    The draw against Benn on the other hand can be justified (like that in Antufermo vs. Hagler I), that was not so clearly unfair as Hearns vs. Leonard II.

    And none of the judges was a native German speaker, but 1 - 2 had English as mouther language (as the referee too, who benefit the Englishman). Chris Eubanks did just too much possing/ showboating here, although was in the first 8 rounds competitive (it was after round 10 maybe tie), but very passive in the late rounds. Warren had a lot of influence on the WBO and their title fights, more than Sauerland when.
     
  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    If so, then were the judges corrupt, as Griffith (you can't even write his name correct) humilated Tua for most of the fight and clearly outboxed him apart of the first round. He was totally in the fight and not even really stunned, but full focused and answered the punches he took with his own (reacted) when the referee jumped in. After this he immediately protested against the stoppage, what you can see in the video you put in here.
     
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  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Well you see there were two English speaker at least (Ramos could be the third, if American) and two of these judges, which were not from the European main continent, had just 1 - 2 points difference. So it can be easily made an argument for the opposite way, I suppose.

    And this guy with 118 - 109 was way off, you probably won't question it, as Warren paid him maybe an extra cheque (to fill the scorecard before the fight).

    Will you argue that Rocchigiani didn't win 2 of the last 3 rounds?:dunno
     
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eubank had built up a big lead he won the first 4 or 5 rounds.
    Just in case I’d missed something I simply googled the fight, and several links came up regarding it, not one mentioned that the decision was controversial, not one.
    As usual you’re simply spouting agenda ridden nonsense.
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti A Being of Inexplicable Inclinations Full Member

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    Klompton did a couple great posts on that
     
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  9. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolute bull****. Eubank beat Rocciggiani fair and square. If a foreign fighter got a decision against a German fighter in Germany in the 1990s you can be damn sure the foreign fighter was a clear winner because Germany at that time was a bottomless pit of horrendous officiating.
     
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  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be honest I always thought De La Hoya outboxed Tito for what the first 6/7 rounds EASILY.
    Then Tito had a late surge and "won" the fight.
     
  11. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And I tell you Graham vs Kalambay 2 was a complete robbery. Graham won and got robbed.
     
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    Eubank Snr v Sherry absolutely shocking scenes after with Sherry play acting.
     
  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    How many of your links were from an non-English speaking page? Was even one not British of these? If you look at any German source, you will find plenty of such claims!

    And no you own commentator had it pretty close in round 8; Rocky won at least 3 of the last 4 (he gave Eubanks even one or two which were clean won by Rocchigiani and came therefore to a draw). How is it possible that the British commentator had it even at the end and two judges only differ them by one round?

    I think Frederic Seilier performed better against Graziano Rocchgiani than Chris Eubanks did.

    Shall I send you the last 5 - 6 rounds of the fight?

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    It was often pointed, that the boxing mafia cheated him, because he had no lobby (here and vs. Michalczewsky).

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    Here is pointed that the commentaor of the British channel what broadcasted it had him as winner (like the Brits had Walujew winning against Haye).
    So I proved the point with sources, you didn't!
     
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  14. Cecil

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    More nonsense.
     
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  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    You are very narrow-minded and appear as a casual: Rocchigiani was not contracted by a promoter back when and Warren was very powerful in WBO title bouts. Eubanks was very tired and only showboated in the last quarter, that Rocchigiani won round 11 even 10 - 8 and he didn't got hitten often, with his tight defence, although made pressure throughout, but Eubanks defensive skills were weaker.
    And in Germany were such decision in world title bouts as Johnson vs. Woods I or Maxwell vs. Ajetovic I not very often. Frank Warren organized this event (at least as co-promoter).

    This was like 2 years later in the first fight with Dariusz Michalczewsky, were he was leading, didn't hear (because of noices) one command, the "Tiger" acted to be knocked out, it was declared a technical draw first (because of the audience) and the WBO executive commission changed it to a disqualification later. That took place in Germany too and Kohl had a similar standing on the WBO later as well.