"Holmes vs. Cooney" 1982...

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll have to check the youtube clip against Jimmy Young.... I know Valle and Cooney worked on getting the right hand up to par as a pro, but I still hated the way he (Cooney) kinda' slapped with it...

    Converted southpaws never seen to snap a good right cross for spit... That also applies to Razor Ruddock as well... Remember when Ruddock had Dokes out in the corner in round 4 and Ruddock zinged a right hand that missed, but then followed up with two more hooks that left Dokes down on his side out like a bulb...?

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  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good point. A good right hand would have served Ruddock very well in the Tyson rematch. He had Tyson ready to go on a couple occasions there, but he only knew how to wing one big punch at a time, almost always with the left hand. That's not gonna work with a Tyson, where you needed to wear him down with repeated combinations.
     
  3. MRBILL

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    If I were handling a southpaw, I'd keep him as a southpaw...... Ala "Whitaker and Camacho." I don't believe in changing a good pattern that's effective...

    Virgil Hill is another converted southpaw who owns a gimpy right hand for the most part.... Hill's left jab and hook was world class, but his right hand was so-so at best...

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  4. salsanchezfan

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    For the most part I agree, though with Hill that worked out pretty damn well. That left jab (and his movement) were hard to overcome.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    I honestly feel Virgil Hill should be in the IBHOF, but too many critics like to whine that he fought a lotta' sorry-ass farmers during his two reigns at 175 and he didn't do much at 190 pounds.... However, he gets my vote....

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  6. tommygun711

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    IMO converted southpaws end up being one handed. Joe frazier was a converted southpaw too, I think?
    Cooney would have been a much better balanced puncher had he been a regular southpaw
     
  7. MRBILL

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    I've never seen a converted southpaw who actually became a good two-fisted fighter... It's very true that converted southpaws rely way too heavily on the left hand...

    Odd thing is, I am a southpaw, and I refused to change as a tennie-bopper of the 1980s... But I never could jab for **** with my left, my right jab is my comfort zone... As is my right hook... However, I cross over with my left as well as uppercut with the left, too...

    I'm a legit southpaw....

    I also bat left handed...

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  8. salsanchezfan

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    Just for conversation's sake, it's kind of interesting that Michael Moorer is actually right-handed.
     
  9. Duodenum

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    So is Jim Watt. Slower than most lightweights, but had a very good right jab and well developed sense of rhythm. Simply found he was more comfortable boxing out of the southpaw stance.
     
  10. tommygun711

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    You boxed Bill?
    I'm assuming just as an amateur
    When I box I'm always orthodox.. I sometimes switch to southpaw though sometimes because I'm right handed.. Therefore I can get my powerhand out more.. It makes sense
     
  11. MRBILL

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    Moorer just might be my top pick as best man who has been converted in style one way or the other... I've got **** on for being too friendly and kind in explaining his once underrated boxing skills... Moorer threw nice combos' when he was heated up and going at it...
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  12. MRBILL

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    I copped a buzz tonight on Bourbon, so I broke out my tape of "Larry vs. Gerry" from 1982... It's still one of my top-10 ATG heavyweight title fights to review on a regular basis... I was getting outta 9th grade when the actual event transpired... MEMORIES!!

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  13. MRBILL

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    Haters can say what they will about L. Holmes' leg speed and movement, but against G. Cooney in 1982, the 32 year old Holmes was very agile and quick on two legs.... His lateral movement was tops and to the point in 1982 against Cooney and Cobb.......... It 'twas.... WORD!!

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  14. MRBILL

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    I was 18-6 with (9) KO's in the early to mid-80s at the Boys Club in Southern CA... I ruined my shoulder doing a part-time construction job in that era, and wrecked my right shoulder.... Then my bro's turned me onto weed and beer and, well, it went to hell (Boxing) from that point onward... DAMMIT!!
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  15. The Morlocks

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