Holyfield 1990 V Ali 1963 ?

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Who wins?

  1. Ali of 1963?

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  2. Holyfield of 1990?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Young Cassius/Ali of the year he was dropped against Cooper,,
    Up against The Real Deal of his title winning match against Douglas?
    The decision is in your hands.
     
  2. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    Wasn´t ready for a pressure boxing-puncher of Holyfield calibre and speed at this moment.
     
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you reckon its Holyfield, big points win for the real deal.
     
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  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    Cassius Clay of 1963 on points, would have taken this bout seriously, Angelo Dundee would have seen to that. Henry Cooper and Doug Jones are nowhere near The Real Deal Holyfield's caliber. Clay would have too much foot and hand speed as well as head games for Evander.
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I love Holy, but Clay would have danced rings around him and caught him with punches in bunches. UD.
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, but Holy was truly a great champ too.
     
  7. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    Hard to say if were talking about them for these fights we're there young and good but neither entered their prime.

    I'm leaning towards Ali by u.d. based off how slick fighters always gave holyfield the most hell.

    Then again you also have to think, could cooper really do anything holyfield cant?
     
  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was going to say the same thing. I think he very well may have stopped Ali at this time. Any version of Ali from 1964-1975 beats 1990 Holyfield.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you can say that a 1990 Holyfield was a prime Holyfield. I don't think that's an unfair statement.
     
  10. steve1990

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    Holyfield wins a tough decision.
     
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  11. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    I’ll take Holyfield from 90, he was prime here Clay of 63 was not. I think he’d win a hard fought decision where he buzzes and maybe even drops Clay. As others have stated once Ali hits his own prime he beats Holyfield. He’s not been in tough enough at this point to deal with a Prime hungry rugged Real Deal.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah I went with Evander. In 1990 he looked near perfect in the ring while Ali in 1963 was still unpolished. The Cooper and Jones fights showed he still had some stuff to work on
     
  13. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only fighter Holyfield fought that had near the hand speed of Ali was M.Dokes. Dokes was not on the same ball field in foot speed .Dokes gave Holyfield hell up too the time Holyfield finally caught and stopped him. Dokes was past prime .I love Holyfield, saw damn near every fight was in.
    But I can't pick him over even this version of Ali. Just the wrong style and Ali's hand and foot speed. Holyfield never had to chase a opponent at heavyweight. They were typically their to be hit. A well past prime Holmes was able to hold his own against Holyfield by fighting behind his jab and fighting smartly.
    Ali wouldn't come into this fight clowning. Holyfield would be a serious threat. I see the nervous energy Ali from the 1st Liston fight opposed to the clowning Ali of the Cooper fight. Ali by dec .
     
  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You always got the impression with Ali that in certain bouts he was just going through the motions and ticking over in idle. Going by the Cooper bout you would pick Holyfield every time but I do believe Ali would have been switched on for this bout.
     
  15. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No disrespect to Cooper but Ali took him very lightly imo first time. He won't against Holyfield, he'll be determined and not Larking around, at least not to much.
     
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