Holyfield-Holmes Scoring

No. (LOL) Just a weight lifter.

I was just pointing out the lack of respect Holyfield had at that time. We were all together playing poker the night Holyfield beat Tyson the first time. And the same guy said afterward, well, maybe I can't beat him. And we all laughed.

Like I said, it took time for Holyfield to get the respect everyone gives him now.

His first reign was considered, at the time, pretty bad. Two 40-year-olds (when 40-year-olds didn't fight for titles) and a late late sub journeyman who floored him. Then a loss to Bowe.

Now people look at it and say he beat two Hall of Famers who are considered among the top five heavyweights ever in that first reign. People weren't saying that then.

They were like why is this champ in his 20s fighting and struggling with fat 40 year-olds?

Foreman's comeback was considered a joke until he went 12 with Holyfield.

 

awesome posts. Thanks

 

Very accurate and objective analysis of Holyfield, I remember at the time thinking that if Larry and George had been even near Evander's age they'd have killed him. I don't know of any fighter who got as much credit for beating 42 year old fighters as Holyfield did.

 

Evander Holyfield vs. Larry Holmes

Round 1: Holyfield (10-9)
Round 2: Holmes (10-9)
Round 3: Holyfield (10-9)
Round 4: Holmes (10-9), close round
Round 5: Holyfield (10-9), close round
Round 6: Holyfield (10-9)
Round 7: Even (10-10)
Round 8: Holyfield (10-9)
Round 9: Holyfield (10-9)
Round 10: Holyfield (10-9), but super close
Round 11: Holmes (10-9)
Round 12: Holyfield (10-9), close round

I scored it: 117-112 Holyfield
Judges scores: 116-112, 116-112, 117-111 all for Holyfield

A really good fight. In the end, the younger, fresher and faster Holyfield (who was also affected by a cut) won a close but deserved UD. It was definitely not a dominant victory though and there were some pretty close rounds. And what a strong fight from the 42 years old Larry Holmes. A very smart and experienced performance. How would the fight have gone if he would be for instance 32 years old instead of 42...

 

I thought the bad cut is the only thing that kept Holmes in the fight. He was losing before that and Holmes was always such a good opportunist---but he never did or could take advantage of a silver platter like that cut.

If the reverse was true and Holmes cut, he is stopped soon after.

And Larry is very very lucky he threw up at the end of the fight and did not haver 1 more round to go.


But like Dubblechin said above, Commander Vander was looked at as a guy ready to be taken. Hardly a guy that was going to have a long title reign. And he did not. and never did. He just got an absolute ton of mileage with the win over Bowe in their 2nd fight.

 

Your tale is the type of thing people say that is the basis for my one great reality TV show idea.

Title: I’d Fight Mike Tyson for a Million Dollars

Each week we find a truck driver or bouncer or dentist or whatever who agrees to step in the ring with Mike Tyson. He’s given a top trainer and we get a montage of his month-long prep to get in the ring with Tyson.

The bout is scheduled for one round. If he wins, he gets $1M. If he even lasts 3 minutes, he gets $1M. If Tyson stops him, he gets nothing and Tyson gets $1M. (Or at least that’s what people on TV are told, who knows what the financials would be, but I’m guaranteeing monster ratings for this.)

Of course the victim has to sign about 1,000 pages worth of legal wavers that other than immediate medical care for any cuts or whatnot he’s agreeing to 3 minutes under the Nevada State Athletic Commission rules with pro gloves, a pro ref and judges, an 18-foot ring, regulation hand wraps, etc. … and he realizes he might get murdered or worse.

Because every one of us has heard some slob who has no idea what he’s talking about who couldn’t last a round with a good lightweight hearing how much some pro boxer is making for a fight and saying, ‘I’d fight that guy for that much.’

So we find people who are willing to take that risk. They can have no amateur or tough man ring experience or competitive MMA or kickboxing or whatnot, just guys off the street.

Of course Tyson would absolutely destroy these guys week after week.

It would be a ratings bonanza.

 

Evander Holyfield vs Larry Holmes June 19 1992

Evander making the third (and final) defense of his first reign as heavyweight champion comes in at 27-0 22 KOs, having beaten Buster Douglas for the title and defending against George Foreman and Bert Cooper. Holyfield is 29 years old

Holmes comes in at 54-3 37 KOs. He retired for three years after Tyson KOd him in 88. He has gone 6-0 in his comeback with his last fight an impressive decision win over 1988 Gold Medalist and undefeated contender Ray Mercer. Holmes is 42 years old.

Round 1
Holmes trying to establish distance and get a feel of evander. Evander pressing landing some right hands over the top and to the body. A lot of shots of bock guys blocked. Holmes lands a nice right hand to end the round

10-9 Holyfield

Round 2
Holyfield decides to try to fight Holmes in a phone booth. Evander and Holmes fight head to head near one of the corners and its all Holmes. Larry blocks almost everything Holy throws at him and continuously scores with straight rights, hooks, and uppercuts. Not a good game plan by the real deal, George Benton in the corner told Holyfield to keep doing what he did in round 1 so either Evander wanted to try to bully Holmes here or Duva some bad advice. Clear Holmes round

10-9 Holmes
19-19

Round 3
Benton telling Holy that Holmes is gonna tire. Holmes goes back to the ropes to mimic the success he had last round but Holyfield is using his speed to not get caught, he throws some jabs or a quick combo and gets out before Holmes can mount anything back. About halfway through the round Holyfield lands two nice right hands that wobble Holmes. Holmes comes back at the last 20 seconds or so to land some nice shots but not nearly enough

10-9 Holyfield
29-28 Holyfield


Round 4

Holyfield pressing the action most of the round. Eventually he gets back into a phonebooth with Larry near a corner and Larry does some recent work, but Holyfield gets some shots in. Evander with a few nice right hands towards the end of the round when he decides to start darting in and out again. Closer than round 3 but I have Evander here

10-9 Holyfield
39-37 Holyfield

Guest unofficial judge Lennox Lewis has the same scoring as myself though I can barely here him

Round 5
Much better Holmes round as he spends a good portion circling Holyfield and nailing him with jabs and one-twos (an especially nice on at 1:30ish). Holyfields offense is blunted for the most part, does land a nice hook but Larry using all his ring savvy here

10-9 Holmes
48-47 Holyfield

Round 6
Evander pressing the action, Holmes throwing almost nothing and missing everything. Larry lands a decent right with about 30ish seconds left by Holyfield answers back with some connecting shots

10-9 Holyfield
58-56 Holyfield

Round 7
Holy cut from an accidental elbow at the end of 6, Duva yelling par the course. Holmes more energized this round and its a bit back and forth though both men are deflecting each others shots by and large. Holmes lands a nice right hand to close the round and that may have edged it

10-9 Holmes (close)
67-66 Holyfield

Round 8
Benton tells Holy to box and circle and that's what he does. Real Deal using movement and speed to out hustle Holmes who can't really get anything going as Holyfield is a little too elusive for him

10-9 Holyfield
77-75 Holyfield

Round 9
Holmes not active enough. Holy pressing and though a lot of shots are blocked he's the busier of the two. Nice short right hand lands for Evander as the round closes

10-9 Holyfield
87-84 Holyfield

Round 10
Holyfield just outworking Holmes, Larry fighting in sporadic spurts and not doing enough when he does

Round 9
Holmes not active enough. Holy pressing and though a lot of shots are blocked he's the busier of the two. Nice short right hand lands for Evander as the round closes

10-9 Holyfield
87-84 Holyfield

Round 10
Holyfield just outworking Holmes, Larry fighting in sporadic spurts and not doing enough when he does

10-9 Holyfield
97-93 Holyfield

Round 11
Holmes immediately scores a nice quick right hand and follows it up with another one-two. Holmes being more active and having some success. A nice 1-2 towards the end of the round before Holy needs some retaping of his gloves. Good Holmes round much more active than he has been

10-9 Holmes
106-103 Holyfield

Round 12
Good round, Holmes trying to be more active but so is evander. Both guys get some good shots in but I think Evander sealed it landing a nice combo towards the end of the round that had Holmes once again going to the ropes

10-9 Holyfield (close)
116-112 Holyfield

Final Thoughts: I think this was a clear cut win for Holyfield. Scores of 117-111 to 115-113 all would feel right as a couple rounds were close and could of gone either way. Holmes has nothing to be ashamed of here as he fought a decent effort at 42 against a prime undisputed heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield. This task was juuuuust a bit too much of an ask for Holmes' 42 year old body with a lot of mileage on it. Now I think if Holmes had been the same age as Evander here he would have beaten him, maybe dropping him along the way as he would of been quicker, stronger, and could follow up with better stamina.

I know history played out this way, but I kind of wish Holy would of fought Bowe first, dropped the belt to him like he would in his next fight, and then we get Bowe vs Holmes. I think that would be a fun, infighting war and if one thing this fight did show was that Holmes was still pretty cagey on the inside

 

Thanks for the template rough!!

Evander Holyfield vs Larry Holmes

World Heavyweight Championship

1992

EH : LH

1: 10 - 9 Comfortable Holyfield round, far busier.
2: 9 - 10 Back to the corner Holmes goes and utilizing a full array of right hands counters his way to the round.
3: 10 - 9 Huge right from Holy and Holmes perhaps a little buzzed but he did roll with the impact. Holmes tries to steal it late but not enough. *17.13
4: 9 - 10 Holmes may have pipped this with a couple of cleaner shots.
5: 10 - 9 Holyfield busier with more intent.
6: 10 - 9 Holyfield clear, his best round. Aggressive and landing big shots. Holmes elbow opens Holyfield up.

58 - 56

7: 10 - 9 Holyfield clear. Holmes energized by the blood but slows. *34.18
8: 10 - 9 Holyfield comfortable. One big right hand from Holmes not near enough.
9: 10 - 9 Closer but Holyfield busier and more effective than Holmes.
10: 10 - 9 Very close round pipped by Holyfield for mine.
11: 9 - 10 Slow till the end where Holmes did the better work.
12: 10 - 9 Holyfield gets more aggressive with just one round left to worry about the cut. Holmes vomits before he can get back to his corner. Gave it his all.

59 - 55

TOTAL: 117 - 111 HOLYFIELD


Notes:

• Comfortable win for Holyfield. Holmes age showed throughout tho he was game and extremely canny. His lack of energy was obvious.
• Holyfield was aggressive the round after the cut but often dancy after that tho still effective.
• *17.13 I'm leaning toward a Holyfield rake with the laces vs trying to push Holmes head down. Thoughts?
• *34.18 Blatant use of the laces by Holyfield IMO. I think he was smarting from the cut caused by Holmes elbow that was missed. He's blatantly jabbed twice with the palm of the left hand and raked it down to boot on the first one. Thoughts?

@mr. magoo and @Bokaj any interest guys?

 

My comments in bold.

 

Ha ha! That would be great.
However if it is against current Tyson, many of these guys could at least last the round.
It would overwhelmingly be big & athletic guys, with a little training some of them could at minimum cover up & fight enough not to be stopped.

A fight against a current top HW is highly unlikely to go the "distance".

 

Thanks Boje, appreciate it!!!