Holyfield's accomplishments

Its amazing what you can accomplish on steroids.

Not sure why Holyfield gets a pass on this. He was an obvious steroid abuser from very early on and yet people want to ignore that most of the time when discussing what he accomplished.

I wont even go into his dirty tactics in the ring.

 

Just like Mayweather, Pacman, Tyson, Lewis???

 

Not sure why Holyfield gets singled out for steroids, or dirty tactics for that matter. Steroids didn't provide him with the heart, skills and dedication to do what he did.

A million nightclub doormen and bloated bodybuilders are using steroids but they could achieve absolutely ZERO in a boxing ring, so your first statement makes no sense.

And all modern professional athletes, the elite ones, have used chemical enhancers. It's part of modern sport, has been for decades now.
If you think Holyfield's opponents were clean you'd be wrong.

 

Steroid abusers love to go on about how hard they work and how much heart they have while totally ignoring the fact that steroids allow you to give that extra 10% or 20%. They love to talk about how hard they work and pretend that steroids dont add anything (which is ludicrous because if they didnt they wouldnt go to the trouble, expense, and risk the health issues to take them) yet ignore that without those steroids they would literally be a different person. Period. Think Im wrong? Go look at the studies. There are several books out there written by people (including doctors) who have used steroids and they will literally tell you that physically you are a completely different person on steroids. Go watch the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger, and see what actual steroid abusers say about steroids, they admit they are miracle drug. So dont sit here and pretend Im singling Holyfield out on a thread detailing his "stupendous" accomplishments when the fact is that he likely wouldnt have accomplished half of what he did without steroids in fact its unlikely he would have even been a HW and at CW, beyond unifying a weak division populated by older ex LHWs and small, mediocre HWs, his resume would have been lukewarm at best.

Would Holyfield have been big enough and strong enough and had enough stamina without steroids to beat Bowe, Tyson, draw with Lewis, etc? I doubt it. How does a resume filled with Ricky Parkeys and Ossie Occasios and topped by a past his prime Qawi look to you? Just ok? I thought so.

Im not singling him out Im asking why those hard questions are never asked about him when people start trotting out his accomplishments. Those questions are asked about guys like Bonds and McGuire but with Holyfield its all about his heart and tenaciousness while totally ignoring his steroids, low blows, head butts, elbows, etc. Even without the steroids the guy was the dirties fighting HW champion since Marciano and then on top of the cheating tactics he had to use PEDs... yeah, hes a real role model and those accomplishments are all down to hard work :roll:

Its absolute bull**** to cast doubt on an entire generation because one hypocrite who blew up from 175 pounds when he was past ****rty to 220 pounds of solid ripped muscle, trained with the most roided up freak in bodybuilding, suffered heart problems and premature balding and just happened to get caught buying steroids. The fact is that Holyfield took those drugs to be able to compete with men bigger than him because thats where the money was. You know, $$$, the bottom line, the common denominator in all sports. There were heavyweights better than the guys Holyfield fought before steroids entered the sport but there was no HW Holyfield before that and a guy who goes life and death over 15 rounds with a 33 year old fading ex LHW and who was known for having poor stamina in the amateurs and then happens to fall under the cloud of steroids gets a * in my book. He certainly wasnt Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali.

 

I have never seen any evidence or even any one suggest that Tyson has been on steroids. But those other guys, yes. They are all frauds who accomplished what they accomplished (especially later in their careers) with chemical help.

 

You really believe the likes of Tyson, Lewis and many other heavyweights never took PED's???? Bout time you got your head out of the sand old boy...

 

Oh because Tyson was supposedly a fat kid as a young teenager that automatically excuses him from allegations of steroid usage...

 

I insist on a significant amount of evidence, before accusing an athlete of using steroids.

In Holyfield’s case, he does appear to have been caught buying steroids.

For somebody like Lewis, I would have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

If it bothers you so much you feel the need to single out Holyfield for alleged steroid abuse in an age of the finger of suspicion pointed at just about everyone then crack on, it really doesn't matter.

But you are naive at best, and stupidly biased at worst if you want to start whingeing that he was significantly dirtier than every other Heavyweight of his era.

Any, or all, of them were more than capable, and indeed prepared to be dirty, as and when it suited them.

 

are you trying to say that you rank Holyfield as one of your all time best heavyweights Foxy??

You claimed proudly that your top 3 were,

1 Ali
2 Lewis
3 Louis

so who's next? Is Holy close?

 

So after less than 6 months after being released from 3 years jail Tyson is naturally more ripped for the McNeeley fight than at any point prior to his incarceration? Did he achieve this feat through his famous devotion to clean living? Riiiight :roll:

Do you think Bernard Hopkins has also competed to such a high level at such an advanced age without resorting to cheating as well (that's chemical cheating not the fouling, feigning injury cheating he routinely does)?

 

The thing with Holyfield is that every time you wrote him off, every time you thought that he was finished, he'd come back again and prove you wrong.

After Bowe 1, I thought 'Ah, well, he was a good champ but that's it.' Came back. Hell, he was all but gone against Cooper and came roaring back.

I gave him no chance against Lewis in the rematch, and although he did not win, he gave a much, much better effort than in the first fight.

Beat a still-excellent Tyson when almost nobody gave him a chance.

I honestly thought when former middleweight Toney stopped him, which in itself was kind of surreal, that that was it for him. Well, he still had something left after that. Not much fair enough, but something.

He seemed to always have that little extra something when he seemed like a spent force.
Round 10 of the first Bowe fight is a classic. It encapsulates everything that was great about the man.

True, he could be inconsistent and he sometimes looked quite ordinary, but he was great when it counted.

 

And right on cue, here is the Jafaikan again. How are things in Walter Mitty land duck egg? Come on now tell the truth. The only time you have seen the Caribbean is in brochures and on TV isn't little duck egg?

Were you bullied at school duck egg, and is that why you fantasise about being a " Jamaican drug dealer " ( nice stereo typing by the way ) or a Canadian weirdo?

And what will the next installment bring, a Yardie gangsta perhaps?

Keep on keeping on duck egg. What with your admitted racism, lewd remarks about a kid, and now your Jafaikan fantasies you are better value for money than the bug.:rofl:rofl

By the way you still haven't told me the reason you are greatly attracted to these big useless lumbering slabs of meat that you are so desperate to see ranked.

Is it because the lighter weight guys are too quick and skillful for someone with you're mental capacity? Or because you are 5' 6" and 135lbs, so watching Heavyweights makes you feel big, perhaps?

Go on, tell us why you are obsessed with these guys, duck egg.

 

Are you mad wuss because Holyfield blew your boy Toney "Who was busted for steroids' out of the water in the ATG category on your OWN thread?

 

oh hi Foxy, you are the guy that claimed i was black for several weeks and now is claiming i am white, correct Foxy??