Honestly, whats the blueprint to beat Tyson Fury

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  1. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Wlad landed 24% against Haye

    wlad was much more efficient against Jennings, landing 95 jabs.

    He landed 10 more against Haye at 105 but much less accurate

    Overall however wlads total punches landed for both Haye and Jennings was 26%.
     
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    You are comparing a punchbag with a double end bag here. Look at Wlad's jab instead. Much better timing against Haye.
     
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    Jennings was in his prime and has good movement. I don’t believe there is a massive drop off in his jab between Haye and Jennings.

    wlads jab was excellent vs AJ because he was there to be jabbed
     
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    And wlad only landed a woeful 87 jabs on povetkin. In 12 rounds.
     
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    Ask Otto Wallin.
    He cut him, pressured him. When Fury tried to walk him down Wallin hurt him. And he is ranked 45 in the world!
     
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    This is Wlad in his absolute physical prime for me. His shots were so crisp, accurate, fast and powerful. If you think those left hooks are sailing over AJ's head you're on crack.

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    Good point agree to a certain extent. It might still have been quite good later on.

    But we know that reaction time but even more important: choice reaction time slows down with age. Ive read somewhere that RT peaks around 20 and CRT peaks at early 30's

    You have to consider that.
     
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    Also think Otto Wallin is much higher than 45th ranked now can see many not fighting Otto after Fury.
     
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    A lazy CompuBox comparison indicates that Wlad was only marginally less successful with the jab against Jennings than against Haye (with his output of jabs about equal). However, I grant you that CompuBox is not a qualitative gauge, the numbers are just there for curiosity and trivia. Would it not occur to you that the difference in qualitative jab success was attributable to Haye and Jennings possessing vastly different styles and abilities? Haye didn't employ a guard, nor did he spend a lot of time up on his toes moving from side to side, much more often hanging in front of Wlad in his customary wide stance with his hands low and relying on his head and upper body movement while looking for an opening for the big home run connect on which he'd predicated his chances of victory. Jennings didn't have the luxury of a perceived power threat, his approach was more technical and industrious and employed a variety of tricks to reduce Wlad's success with the jab. When he wasn't up on his toes using side to side movement, frequent level changes and blocks and parries in addition to upper body movement, he was bursting inside with well timed raids and crowding Wlad (it's hard to jab a guy in passages where his head is bored into your chest).
     
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    this wlad would KO fury in 4 .
     
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    Wallin exposed how overrated fatso is.
     
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    He was easier to get to, though, very open, which is why Steward was ever brought in, to instil the nous that Klitschko was missing (and greatly needed, due to his vulnerability). Joshua would be more inclined to hit back than that version of Ray. Be a good fight.


    See above. Wlad isn't beating Fury, who is far from a 2002 Ray Mercer, merely by becoming more triggerhappy. He just overworks himself, gets picked off and gets beat up. Fury is way too cute for that version of Wlad, even moreso than he was for the veteran incarnation.
     
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    you right nobody beats fury if 40yo wlad couldn’t do it and ATG’s like chisora and wilder could’t do it nobody will . Unless great wallin gets to rematch Fury.
     
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    Fury isn't the first guy to underwhelm in what was supposed to be a gimme fight. While I don't approve of guys taking the ostensibly softer competition lightly (which Fury did, as documented by ITV), one cannot accuse Tyson of failing to rise to the big occasions.


    You appear to be filled with an irrational deep-seated resentment,
    bordering on hatred. Ask yourself, who can reason with that?