How can "boxing" fans actually defend this?

BoJangles · Oct 24, 2015

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it's possible Ginger Snaps might lose to
Cotto... might quit on his stool if he can't get
Cotto outta there and the fight gets grueling...

poor Diva...

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Rumsfeld · Oct 24, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Canelo says his body is "not yet ready" for 160 pounds while at the same time he's outgrown 154.

So, according to him, he's too small to fight actual middleweights because his "body is not ready" while being too big to fight at junior welterweight because he can hardly make weight.

I'm sorry, but this is so ridiculous and the most diva thing I've ever heard.

Despite the fact that he rehydrates to 170-175, despite the fact that he is 168 at the 30 weigh-in, despite the fact that he is BIGGER than Gennady Golovkin, we as fans are supposed to say, "Oh, okay Canelo. Totally understood. Feel free to drain middleweights down to your limbo weight because we don't want you to have to move up and fight these 160 fighters at full strength if your body's not ready."

Say his body isn't ready. So what? If you don't feel comfortable at 160, so be it. However, you are fighting at middleweight, so don't drain other middleweights down to the minimum limit to get an unfair advantage which he what he has been doing. They should absolutely be able to come in at the middleweight max just as Canelo should feel comfortable coming in at the limit. If Canelo doesn't feel comfortable doing that, THEN LEAVE THE MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION. Go BACK to Junior Welterweight and stay there until you're ready to face the MW division without all the stupid stipulations. If you can't make JWW then accept your situation and face the middleweight fighters at whatever weight you feel comfortable but w/o the catch-weights. But Canelo shouldn't be allowed to make his own rules and own weight class because his "body isn't ready".

There are so many more hypocritical facets off this reasoning between Canelo AND PARTICULAR FANS as well.

1) Canelo's body isn't ready for 160, but he is fighting for the 160 WBC Lineal MW Title.

Like?????

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If your body isn't ready then don't fight for the 160 lineal title. :huh And for the people who say, "Oh, he doesn't want the title. Just the payday with Cotto." You are completely and utterly incorrect as Canelo's team has said numerous times that Canelo is fighting Cotto because he wants the title.

2) Canelo is a middleweight who has been fighting at middleweight and is ranked #1 MW by the WBC. I've seen some fans completely stand with Canelo to let his body become accustomed to 160 and not face his mandatory immediately as the potential lineal champion while at the same time scream for Golovkin to move up to a division HE'S NEVER FOUGHT AT and face the best fighter there and trash him if he doesn't.

I mean, are you serious right now? (no pun intended)

It scares me that a fighter with this line of thinking can potentially be the LINEAL MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION and would have never faced a actual middleweight at 160 (as long as he isn't stripped for avoiding GGG). We already have that as it is with Cotto. It's sad!!

I don't know what's worse. An actual junior welterweight holding the lineal title and draining MW's, or an actual middleweight holding the lineal title and draining MW's. Where's the respect for the sport of boxing? And for the "boxing" fan that defends this then I ask you, where is your respect for the sport of boxing?

Sorry for the rant. Boxing just makes me so mad, man.
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You think you're mad now? Wait until it becomes obvious the WBC is in bed with Canelo.

:smoke

Leoh · Oct 24, 2015

You don't think they'll strip him off?

Enigmadanks · Oct 24, 2015

^^That's the only problem I see with Gennady being able to get a chance to fight for the WBC belt.

He's the mandatory so he should be able to get the fight immediately with the winner. But Sulaiman (and his father, RIP) were notorious for allowing the cashcows of the sport to basically call the shots on who they fought. It started well before Mayweather, but Floyd is a well known recent example who was basically allowed to fight anyone he wanted and the WBC allowed him to keep his belts without any trepidation.

That would suck if the winner of Cotto-Canelo were able to circumvent the rules and fight someone other than Golovkin for their next match. If they don't want to fight Gennady, I see no problem with it. I just hope they relinquish the title so we can get one step closer to seeing a unified champion in the division.

boxsensei · Oct 24, 2015

Piece said: ↑

You have to understand, Mayweather ducked Margarito for 10 damn years.
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Yeah a ducked a non HOF bum, but schooled the man who brutalized and KOed him. Ok

ElCyclon · Oct 24, 2015

boxsensei said: ↑

Yeah a ducked a non HOF bum, but schooled the man who brutalized and KOed him. Ok
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1 plus 1 does not equal 3.

Mr.DagoWop · Oct 24, 2015

Boxers now days......

Nonito Smoak · Oct 24, 2015

How can "boxing fans" continue to dissect what boxers, promoters, and trainers say and not be able to read between the lines? I just don't get it. Boxing fans are both the smartest and the dumbest of the bunch.

Jeff M · Oct 24, 2015

Why do you care if anyone defends it? It's simply the reality of the sport. It's nothing new. Canelo is the A-side. The WBC will let him do what he wants. Triple G can accept his terms if he wants a big money fight. If he thinks he can beat Canelo he should drop down and do it, as it would help his status a lot as far as becoming a bigger star. The weight shouldn't be an issue for him considering his fight night weight and the fact he stays in shape year round. Should they fight at 160 in a perfect world? Of course. This world is driven by money though and Canelo brings more in. Hopkins fought Oscar @ 158 years ago. Obviously Oscar was always an A-side. Ever since Pac started draining opponents its become more common and accepted.

C.J. · Oct 24, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Canelo says his body is "not yet ready" for 160 pounds while at the same time he's outgrown 154.

So, according to him, he's too small to fight actual middleweights because his "body is not ready" while being too big to fight at junior welterweight because he can hardly make weight.

I'm sorry, but this is so ridiculous and the most diva thing I've ever heard.

Despite the fact that he rehydrates to 170-175, despite the fact that he is 168 at the 30 weigh-in, despite the fact that he is BIGGER than Gennady Golovkin, we as fans are supposed to say, "Oh, okay Canelo. Totally understood. Feel free to drain middleweights down to your limbo weight because we don't want you to have to move up and fight these 160 fighters at full strength if your body's not ready."

Say his body isn't ready. So what? If you don't feel comfortable at 160, so be it. However, you are fighting at middleweight, so don't drain other middleweights down to the minimum limit to get an unfair advantage which he what he has been doing. They should absolutely be able to come in at the middleweight max just as Canelo should feel comfortable coming in at the limit. If Canelo doesn't feel comfortable doing that, THEN LEAVE THE MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION. Go BACK to Junior Welterweight and stay there until you're ready to face the MW division without all the stupid stipulations. If you can't make JWW then accept your situation and face the middleweight fighters at whatever weight you feel comfortable but w/o the catch-weights. But Canelo shouldn't be allowed to make his own rules and own weight class because his "body isn't ready".

There are so many more hypocritical facets off this reasoning between Canelo AND PARTICULAR FANS as well.

1) Canelo's body isn't ready for 160, but he is fighting for the 160 WBC Lineal MW Title.

Like?????

https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads...ff5b37472976b0f26cbf0cc466a2e17503a19cf_large

If your body isn't ready then don't fight for the 160 lineal title. :huh And for the people who say, "Oh, he doesn't want the title. Just the payday with Cotto." You are completely and utterly incorrect as Canelo's team has said numerous times that Canelo is fighting Cotto because he wants the title.

2) Canelo is a middleweight who has been fighting at middleweight and is ranked #1 MW by the WBC. I've seen some fans completely stand with Canelo to let his body become accustomed to 160 and not face his mandatory immediately as the potential lineal champion while at the same time scream for Golovkin to move up to a division HE'S NEVER FOUGHT AT and face the best fighter there and trash him if he doesn't.

I mean, are you serious right now? (no pun intended)

It scares me that a fighter with this line of thinking can potentially be the LINEAL MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION and would have never faced a actual middleweight at 160 (as long as he isn't stripped for avoiding GGG). We already have that as it is with Cotto. It's sad!!

I don't know what's worse. An actual junior welterweight holding the lineal title and draining MW's, or an actual middleweight holding the lineal title and draining MW's. Where's the respect for the sport of boxing? And for the "boxing" fan that defends this then I ask you, where is your respect for the sport of boxing?

Sorry for the rant. Boxing just makes me so mad, man.
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Agree 100% Great post abuffy
The bottom line is neither Canelo or Cotto want no part of Golovkin because the know in their heart s they cannot beat him
Ive said this all along " How can anyone claim to be world middleweight champion yet refuse to fight at 160" ??
I agree boxing has gone crazy

abuffy · Oct 24, 2015

Rumsfeld said: ↑

You think you're mad now? Wait until it becomes obvious the WBC is in bed with Canelo.

:smoke
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The politics and business aspects of boxing are great at turning fans away from the sport.

WBC has been sucky in the past, but I'll give credit where it's due. Thus far, WBC has been working to get Golovkin in the ring with the WBC titleholder.

The Akbar One · Oct 24, 2015

Canelo is 25. If he doesn't feel like fighting Golovkin at 160, I don't have a problem with it. Golovkin said he would fight anyone from 154 to 168. As we just saw with his Margarito like PPV numbers, he doesn't call the shots. If he wants Canelo, he needs to take his **** to 154/155. If he really wants a big name, then he needs to fight Ward, but he seems scared.

C.J. · Oct 24, 2015

Enigmadanks said: ↑

Canelo and his team know his body better than any fan does. If he feels he's not ready to make the jump to a full fledged MW, than that's his prerogative.

I'd have a bigger issue with the Cotto fight if Alvarez had campaigned at the full 160 before. He hasn't though, and he wants his body to slowly acclimate into the weight class. Sorry that makes you so angry abuffy.

And truthfully, I can see why GBP is taking their time with Alvarez since he's their cashcow and he's only in his mid 20's.

Canelo and Cotto aren't Middleweights. Cotto is 35, so it's fair to say he'll never fight at the full 160. ALvarez still has time on his side so I'd expect him to make his jump to the full 160 within the next year or 2.

Maybe Gennady should redirect his attention towards actual Middleweights and quit wasting time on either of these JMW fighters. Whoever wins that match will probably vacate the WBC belt, and Gennady will have what he's been incessantly craving, another paper belt to add to his collection.
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Gennady is a FIGHTER!! he wants to unify all the Middleweight titles. If Cotto & Canelo don't feel right at 160 then let them come in at whatever weight they want as long as its under 160 BUT same goes for their opponents , Its the middleweight title so its contested at 160 pounds max

abuffy · Oct 24, 2015

The Akbar One said: ↑

Canelo is 25. If he doesn't feel like fighting Golovkin at 160, I don't have a problem with it. Golovkin said he would fight anyone from 154 to 168. As we just saw with his Margarito like PPV numbers, he doesn't call the shots. If he wants Canelo, he needs to take his **** to 154/155. If he really wants a big name, then he needs to fight Ward, but he seems scared.
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He doesn't have to fight GGG at 160 (well, actually he does since the belt is sanctioned at 160), but he has no right to tell MW's at what weight to fight at. If they want to come in 159, they can. If they want to come in at 157, they can. Canelo can come in at 155, but the MW should be able to come in at the limit if they so desire.

If not, then Canelo is making his own weightclass and is damaging the sport of boxing.

QuadrupleG · Oct 24, 2015

The Akbar One said: ↑

Canelo is 25. If he doesn't feel like fighting Golovkin at 160, I don't have a problem with it. Golovkin said he would fight anyone from 154 to 168. As we just saw with his Margarito like PPV numbers, he doesn't call the shots. If he wants Canelo, he needs to take his **** to 154/155. If he really wants a big name, then he needs to fight Ward, but he seems scared.
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Golovkin doesn't want Canelo. He just wants his belt.

What is a point of beating another "blown up junior middle" beaten by Trout ?

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