How could ? beat ? but lose to ?

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's a simple little game that is actually tougher than it looks. It always amazed me how a fighter could look brilliant against a world-class opponent but then lose to a journeyman or an unknown. Whether it be styles or if a fighter is just taken too lightly, he pulls the upset. Here's a few:

    How could...

    Fritzie Zivic beat Henry Armstrong but lose to Freddie Cochrane
    Armando Muniz KO Adolph Pruitt but lose to Jose Martin Flores
    Ruben Olivares KO Bobby Chacon but lose to David Kotey
    Charlie Magri beat Santos Laciar but get KO'd by Juan Diaz
    Andy 'The Hawk' Price beat Pipino Cuevas but get KO'd by Jose Baquedano

    I did not include Earnie Shavers KO of Jimmy Ellis and then his subsequent loss to Bob Stallings because there was a 17 month gap between those two fights and I'm trying for close proximity. Anyways, have fun.
     
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  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Teo beat Loma but lose to Kambosos
     
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  3. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Top thread idea Scar.

    My first submission - Young losing to Ocasio and not once but twice also.

    The losses can be qualified somewhat but it was a notable fall from grace for Jimmy as compared to the incredible successes he had enjoyed not too long before those losses.
     
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  4. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fighters are Fighters and Top & Noted men can & do beat seemingly better guys.

    Sometimes it is just as simple as that, other times it might be a flat performance by the perceived better fighter or equally an exceedingly better showing by the alleged poorer fighter.

    Top Men are Top Men, nothing will ever change that, win or lose, one against the other.

    the hard part is/was, 'fighting' all the Top Men, most of the time it's not at all possible, sometimes down right avoidance,..

    the latter being the only real Hanging Question over a Fighters Career.
     
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  5. mcvey

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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How could Archie Moore beat Oakland Billy Smith on May 5th 1948,and get Ko'd in 1 round on Jun 2nd, a month later by 12-2-1 Leonard Motrow ,then beat Jimmy Bivins , 26 days later?
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How could Tommy Hearns beat Virgil Hill who was an undefeated world champion at the time and then lose for a second time to Iran Barkley in his next fight. Hill didn't lose another fight for six years after losing to Hearns and Barkley never won a significant fight again and went 14-12 post Hearns II.
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LC, I like where you're going, but actually Kambosos was 19-0 to Lopez' 16-0 and it was a title defense. So it really doesn't fit as losing to a journeyman. But again, I like where you're going.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pugguy, good call. Although it was a bit since Young beat Foreman, he lost a highly disputed decision to Ken Norton only a couple of months prior to the Ocasio bout and it was fresh in the mind of the boxing public. I know it was for me, as I had Young ahead by a point against Norton and did not see the Ocasio thumping coming.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's exactly what I was looking for. I believe Moore had 100 bouts under his belt by then.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Toney having one of the best technical fights of all time vs a great fighter like Mike McCallum. And then in his very next fight looks as flat as a pancake vs someone like Dave Tiberi.

    I know the Tiberi fight was officially a win for Toney but due to how controversial the decision was i think it's worth a mention.
     
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  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Unfortunately cocain got ahold of Jimmy. Not only did he start losing he lost his home which was only a few miles away from my parents at the time. His fall was hard
     
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  13. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've said this one before but how could Vernon Forrest lose twice to Ricardo Mayorga after beating P4P number one fighter at the time, Sugar Shane Mosley.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Haven't watched those fights in quite a while, but from memory Young looked really bad in the first fight, and only somewhat better in the 2nd.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How did Sonny Boy Jaro beat Pongsaklek then lose to Kuduka?
     
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