How do you feel about Roy jones?

I also don't consider Spinks to be a fair comparisson, as Spinks was a huge LHW that moved up.. He didin't start at 154 like Roy did.

 

Loudon, im not out to rip your posts apart, but just to point out how when facts have been presented to you, very similar to what you are saying you argued them saying fighter A would have fought at this weight if he really meant it and would have done something else etc. Jones dropped away from HW and in other disputes like this you have argued those points that you support here. Im just trying to get a greater understanding of where you are coming from

I think a main thing is that Hill and Maske had made many LHW defences and established themselves as the top 2 LHWs. Jones although highly rated on the mythical P4P ratings had no LHW pedigree.

I always felt DM also had claim to Jones WBC belt as Rocchigiani won the vacant WBC title against Nunn, but the title was removed from Rocchigiani and Jones WBC champ again, DM then beat Rocch who should have been WBC champ.

If Jones had of beaten DM, he would have deserved great credit.

 

true about hill and maske. there's arguments on both sides. you also have an argument about the wbc belt but jones would have never lost it in the ring and he never left the division. same as the ibf and wba belts with dm.

 

:hat ahh the never ending arguement ..

 

no problem with what you wrote here. jones beat ruiz for one of the belts and got to put his name in the heavyweight record book, plus he made a lot of money in the process.

the problem i have is with some of the sports writers and fans out there who said ruiz was going to knock jones out and then gave jones no credit after he made it look easy.

 

yeah, there's no right answers here. it is what it is.

 

Either you like him or not that what it comes down too..The skills regardless still demand respect ..

 

true, i thought you were speaking about the linear light heavy argument between jones and dm. there's really no arguing if jones was great or not. international boxing digest named him the greatest fighter lb for lb of all-time in '97. last time i checked you have to be pretty good for someone to consider you the best ever.

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God no I have had my fill of that arguement And agreed on your points ..Too bad Jones and Dm never fought ..Would have been a great match up ..

 

This "Mind Reader" username must be an ironic handle for the self-pwning absolute fukkin fool who reaped complete humiliation on himself.

Let's have yet another LAUGH at this stupid fukkin moron;

After I'd educated esb ******s for years on the JOKE and DISASTER that The Ring light-heavyweight title has been since its return, this stupid FOOL Mind Reader randomly picks out and "queries" my mentioning of this (immediately after being butthurt in one of his many defeats to me no less), in some pitiful transparent cringeworthy attempt at a loaded question - just because Joe Calzaghe ending up holding the The Ring title.

WTF? His mind really is that fukking simple .

I don't know who the fukk this fool thought he was talking to (probably another deluded stuttering back-peddling fanboy like himself and Loudon), but the stupid ******* even admitted he pathetically tried to "set me up" and "expose" some imaginary "biased agenda", then was FOOLISH enough to actually continue with his ******ation, and tried to claim I "didn't mean to say it", "bet I would take it back if I could", and believe it or not, "dug" something for myself. Talk about irony. What an absolute fukkin clueless MORON. Comedy GOLD. :roflatsch

The only "biased agenda" is that of you pitiful Roid Jones apologist fanboys. CLOWNS.

Mind Reader - keep turning to your boyfriend Loudon for help you massively self-owning fukking idiot - and vice versa.

"Mind Reader" = the most stupid, simple-minded, biggest FOOL on esb. Laughing stock.

As for you clueless ******s trying to discuss the light-heavyweight lineage; the blind leading the blind.

 

Roy found himself in a position, where he couldn't do right for doing wrong.

 

Things are good mate, nice to see you.

I agree, he was too good for his own good. I think he's got a very good resume, but it looks a little thin, because of how he dominated.

I like Adamek too, he's a good fighter. But you're right in what you've said. He's bigger than Roy, and he's never fought below 175 to my knowledge.

I agree with you regarding GGG.

It's ok for people to say Ruiz was a weak champ, but lets say he was around now and was the WBA champ. Which current 175 guy do you think would go up and challenge him?

Which 168 fighter looks as though he could fight a HW anytime soon?

I think if Roy had've been in lots of competitive fights like the one against Tarver, I think people would appreciate him more.

Like I always say, for anyone who thinks that Roy was overrated, who today at MW, SMW and LHW, would have beaten Roy when he fought at those weights pre Ruiz?

Which CW today would beat the Ruiz version of Roy?

I can't understand the hate. I've never seen anyone throw triple and quadruple hooks like he did. I've never seen anyone knock someone out with a lead uppercut.

Roy was a genius at his peak.

 

You keep saying that Ruiz was garbage, but you're exaggerating. He wasn't that bad, because if he had've been, he couldn't have won a belt in the first place.

You also keep saying that he couldn't jab and grab Roy, but that was mainly due to Roy's hand speed and footwork. Roy did a good job of keeping him away. Norman Stone was screaming at Ruiz, shouting "Why are you waiting on this guy?!" Roy made him reluctant to come close.

I never mentioned anything about the K bros.

Which 168-175 fighter today, looks as though he's going to fight ANY top 5-10 HW?

Do you think if Ruiz was around today, that there'd be a queue of 175 fighters trying to fight him?

Why do you keep insisting that Roy handpicked Ruiz?

We know that Roy didn't go up and fight the man. I never said it was like what Spinks did. But Spinks had 5 fights at HW, he'd had less overall fights, he was younger, and he'd never fought below 175.

Roy intended to have other fights at HW after Ruiz. He didn't want a long run there, but he wanted mega fights with Tyson and Lewis. There's about 6 different links on this thread now that prove that. You can laugh, and try to spin it however you want. But Lewis was up for a fight with Roy, and then he decided to retire, and said he was no longer motivated and couldn't give 100%. Show me a link where Lewis has said that Roy wasn't serious, or he priced himself out and wouldn't sign the contract etc.

Even though he only ended up fighting Ruiz, it was still a great achievement at 34, after 50 fights, and it deserves respect.

If you don't agree, you're just a hater.

 

Trying to spin your way out of the questions a I see.

Nobody's talking about Hopkins, and Joe was a nobody back then. Are you telling me that Hop ducked Joe because he saw him as a huge threat to fight at 37, only to then go and fight him 6 years later when he was 43?

Everybody knows how Joe operated. I've never said he wasn't a great fighter, but it's clear to me what his intentions were.

He knew his capabilities, and wanted the Crown Jewels to fight Roy in 2002.

In 2008, he gave Roy 50/50.

Why do you think that was?

In 99, when Roy was 30, Joe wasn't chasing him, and didn't want tough fights.

In 2007 and 2008, Roy was a pointless fight in Joe's own words.

Yet he ended up fighting him, and then dropped his hands.

He dropped his hands against a near 40 year old fighter, who he wouldn't have fought when he was peak.

So answer the question.

What does that say about Joe's character?

 

There's links that prove Roy was interested in fighting Lewis. Go and have a look. It was Lewis who decided to retire.

Go and find me a link, where Lennox says Roy was wasting his time, and priced himself out etc.

Lewis wanted 3 or more fights, and was interested in Roy. He then called it a day and said he could no longer give 100%.

So are you going to say that all 6/7 links that have been posted were all bull****?