How do you feel about Roy jones?

I can take on board what you've said, but I was thinking more along the lines of who did he duck?

You've mentioned some of these before, but what were the circumstances involved?

Did he refuse to fight them, as in he ducked them, or did he refuse to fight them, because he'd got better things lined up etc?

We discussed a Hopkins rematch in 96, a few months ago.

But again, why after beating him with an injured hand in 93, would he have been interested in fighting him again in 96?

What had Hopkins done at that point? At what weight would it have been at? There was nothing in it for Roy. At the time, he'd got the chance to fight for an interim belt (later to be upgraded to the full belt) in a new division. We both know that McCallum was way past his best. But moving up and fighting for the WBC belt at 175, was a bigger fight to him than rematching Hopkins at that time.

We all know he dismissed Collins. But again, why was that? Was he threatened by him? I don't think so. He dismissed Collins and moved up to 175 and fought and beat better fighters.

I agree with you regarding Liles, but I wouldn't say that Roy refused to fight him.

We've discussed Nunn before, and I stand by what I said. I don't think he pretended to fight Douglas, in order to avoid Nunn.

When did he refuse to fight Guthrie, and what were the circumstances?

He was due to fight Roch in 2000, but he didn't show up at the press conference, and Telesco was brought in as a replacement, who HBO wanted Roy to fight.

Jirov?

Roy bypassed CW to fight at HW.

He didn't want to fight Tua and Byrd, but we've now got sufficient evidence, to prove that he was interested in having big mega fights against Tyson and Lewis.

 

Posted: October 04, 1996

http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-04/sports/25664294_1_roy-jones-eric-lucas-bryant-brannon

Jones could have fought him much earlier than he did. His reasons for not fighting him were:

-I've beaten him already
-Hopkins has to get a belt at 168 lbs

Hopkins only started to get greedy after his win over Tito went to his head

 

And I remember pointing out to you that a fight with Hopkins was worth more than a pointless fight with a shot McCallum

Why are you making excuses for? Look at who he was fighting back then.

You cannot use that form of logic especially when you consider the guys he was fighting back then.

Who did he beat at lhw that was better than Collins, outside of Tarver?

 

Roy's first fight at 175, was against McCallum on Dec the 22nd, 1996.

Before that fight, Michael Nunn had agreed to fight Asluddin Umarov on Jan 17th, 1997.

Shortly after Roy had beaten McCallum, Umarov pulled out, and was replaced by Ruddy Nix, and they fought on the same date of Jan 17th, 1997.

Somewhere around that time, Roy was preparing to fight Montell Griffin on the 23rd of March, 1997.

So Nunn had already got a fight lined up, before Roy had even fought McCallum, and thought about fighting Griffin.

You can't say that Roy was given the belt, when he still had to beat McCallum, even though he was past his best.

Roy had been toying with the idea of going up to heavy in 97, even before the Griffin rematch, and he spoke of a potential fight with Holyfield in his post fight Griffin interview in August of 1997. That was around two months before Goosen had won the purse bid, which was sometime in October.

I realise that the WBC belt against McCallum, was initially only the interim belt.

 

general zod,

Why was it worth more? Where was Hopkins at that point of his career?

Why would a rematch with Hopkins, just 3 years after their first fight, hold precedence over fighting for a belt in a new weight class?

Hopkins had done nothing much at that point, and he was still at 160.

He dismissed Hopkins, and then fought McCallum, Griffin and Hill etc. I can't see the problem?

I'm not making excuses. Again, if he'd beaten him in 93 with a hairline fracture of his wrist, then why would he have been bothered about a rematch in 96? He'd got nothing to prove, and he had better options. They were in different weight classes, and Hopkins had done nothing much after he'd lost to Roy. Roy moved up and had bigger fights, for major belts in a new weight class.

That's fine, but you're not looking from Roy's perspective. A Mike McCallum fight for the interim WBC belt at 175, was a more attractive proposition for him.

In my opinion, Tarver, Hill and Reggie Johnson were better than Collins, and I think Griffin was a very good fighter too.

 

I stand by what Roy said.

He had already beaten him, and they were in different divisions. What would Roy have gained from it?

 

I love it, you thick subhuman Northern fvckwit. What difference what ****hole oop north in Lincolnshire she came from. The point is she turned her back on it through shame, went for the high life in London, and punished you northern slime by putting you in poverty.

She even paid the Met police fortunes of money to trample you vermin with their horses and smash you with batons. Great television when they stood there taunting you with their wage packets.

Now lets ask you again because we all know youi are a ******ed ****.

Did Roid Jones have 1 fight and only 1 fight at Heavy or not?

Did Roid Jones in fact choose to run back to 175 and stay there for 6 years?

Did Roid Jones show he has an even bigger mouth and a smaller brain than you by constantly TALKING about fighting Heavyweights?

Are you the imbecilic **** who keeps claiming Roid Jones INTENDED to fight this that or the other Hevyweight over a period of years based on nothing more than his mouth, and your poofy fanboyism, when the FACTS show he only fought 1, and that was the **** John Ruiz?

Again Yes or No should suffice in all instances.

 

Foxy 01,

I mean seriously, do you think I'm going to be offended by ANYTHING you write?

Ha! It's hilarious that you've had to resort to this.

You've got no chance of even coming close to defeating me in a boxing related debate, so your tiny brain has told you to make an attack on something Sheffield related.

You're that stupid, you can't even insult me properly. Grimsby? Ha!

Keep them coming, you're making yourself look more of a fool each time you post something ridiculous.

I wonder if you'll try your hand at insulting an educated man like zod? He's from Leeds you know.

Yeah, yeah, and she labelled Nelson Mandella a terrorist, and supported Pinochet. What a woman! :good

Still awaiting those claims that me and Mind Reader made.

It just doesn't get any better than this comment that you made to Joe(I know nothing about boxing).Boxer, below.

Ha! What a ******!!

We never even made any such claims.

Why don't you learn to write, and then write a book titled - How to make a complete fool out of yourself - Volume 1?

Yes. But there were many obstacles blocking a Tyson fight, and then they both got knocked out against Tarver, Johnson and Williams, which killed any potential fight. Lewis never fought again, and said he was retiring because he could no longer give 100%

It's all on this thread in black and white.

Get someone to read the information to you, slowly and more than once, so hopefully it'll sink in.

He took the Tarver fight, because a Tyson fight couldn't be made at that point due to:

Him being up for an assault charge.

He'd split with Finkle.

He'd been inactive.

He didn't have a trainer.

He'd filed for bankruptcy.

He was in the middle of a $100m lawsuit against Don King.


Regarding Lewis, again, at the time, Lewis wasn't sure if he was going to fight again, and we know that in the end, he never did.

Have you ever heard of the word - circumstances?

So, he constantly spoke of fighting again at HW, yet he had no intentions of ever doing so?

Go and read the links MORON!

The facts show that he intended to have more fights, but the Tyson fight was hard to make, and then he and Roy both ended up getting knocked out the following year.

Lewis RETIRED.


Step up your game!

 

Nice to see you getting your panties all twisted over Margaret Thatcher and her attitudes towards Mandela and Pinochet, but claiming it doesn't bother you how she destroyed you Northern vermin. LMFAO.

As far as I'm concerned the best part of her legacy was not the right to buy, nor the Falklands War. No it was the way she had you Northern scum begging from soup kitchens, made your smelly filthy cities, wastelands, and destroyed your silly unions.

Your inability to answer FACTUAL questions with a simple Yes or No is even funnier.

So we can safely assume that ALL of the above is true, and of course ignore your little fanboyism nonsense.

So lets get this straight so we can all laugh at your inherent ****ishness.

Jones was GOING to fight Lewis,,,but,but,but,but.

Jones was GOING to fight Tyson,,,but, but,but.
Jones was GOING to fight Byrd,,,,but, but,but.
Jones was GOING to fight Klitchko,,,,but,but,but.

There seems to be a pattern there for eveyone to see except your moronic self.

You have taken internet gullibilty, and idiocy to a completely new level.

Tell me, if Roid Jones told you that he and Margaret Thatcher used to meet up and go in incognito to KKK meetings, would you be even stupid enough to swallow that?

Because you surely are fvcking gullible enough to swallow everything else he spews out.

You are a clueless moron with a ridiculous obsession of Roid Jones, which you try to pass off as knowledge of the sport of boxing.

The 2 things are not related, as evidenced by your total inability to accept what the record books show. Namely that your fvckpig hero only fought once at Heavyweight, and his alleged intentions are mere conjecture.

The reason why you are a laughable **** is that you publicly quote those alleged intentions as though they were cast in stone, when in the REAL world everyone with a brain ( exclude yourself here ) knows if the steroid cheat scum had any serious intentions of extending his Heavyweight career he would have found a way to make those fights, instead of going back to 175 for 6 years+.

 

Zod there is no way in hell Jones ducked the Hopkins rematch ,it was the other way around ...Hopkins waited for Jones to get KO ed 3 times before accepting to take him on ..Actions speak louder than words and we all know Hopkins actions never follow his words ! And from what I understand Hopkins wanted him to come down in weight how is that a duck when the fight should have been for Jones strap at the least at LHW .

 

Foxy 01,

I don't give two f***'s about Margaret Thatcher, it was you who mentioned her. I mentioned her comments on Mandella and Pinochet, because you're proud of her.

We both know why you only wanted a yes or no answer, you moron.

You have a real problem with reading information and taking it on board don't you?

You've just dug yourself yet ANOTHER hole!

Who has said he was going to fight Byrd...but?

NOBODY!

Who has said that he was going fight Vitali...but?

NOBODY!

You really are the biggest clown on this forum!


That's THREE f**k ups you've now made, just because you can't read properly.


I've answered your questions, so let me ask you some.


1. Were there obstacles in the way of a Tyson fight, as discussed in detail in the links that have been posted?


Yes or No?


2. Did Lewis retire?


Yes or No?

There's no pattern at all. You've made up Byrd and Vitali.

Hilarious!

What a great quip!

Whereas you have showed your ignorance, by ignoring every piece of information on the links.

I'm clueless?

Asking for evidence to back up claims I've never made?

Getting Grantham and Grimsby mixed up?

Inventing that Roy was chasing Byrd and Vitali?

I don't care what the record books show.

Record books don't allow for circumstances.

The record books show that Trevor Berbick beat Muhammad Ali.

The record books show that Joe Calzaghe and Rocky Marciano retired undefeated.

So I guess, Trevor was better than Ali then right?

I guess Rocky Marciano and Joseph Calzaghe are the two greatest fighters of all time?

No educated person on this site will be laughing at me.

You on the other hand.....

How could he have found a way to make those fights, if:

He and Mike Tyson ended up getting knocked out.

Lewis RETIRED!

??????????

Before you reply back, MAKE SURE YOU'VE CAREFULLY READ WHAT I'VE WROTE!

 

WRONG.

Every educated person on this site will laugh at your pathetic obsession with Roid Jones.

Now here are some more FACTS for you.

1. Jones fought for more than 12 years at L / Heavy.

2. Roughly in the middle of that period he had 1 fight at Heavyweight.

Now here is why you are rightly seen as a laughing stock, and will be ridiculed by intelligent people on this site, or indeed any other site.

You insist on clinging on to the purely hypothetical belief, that as Jones TALKED about fighting other Heavyweights in the years before, and after the one foray into the Heavyweight division shows he had serious INTENTIONS of doing exactly that.

The record books show that NOT to be the case.

You see it is very similar to the non fight between Mayweather, and Paci-OW. People with a semblance of intelligence ( again exclude your imbecilic self ) know that fight was never going to happen, and will not happen for various reasons, no matter which one of them says what about the other. You on the other hand can't see through the bull****, and swallow the talk as proof positive of intent.



That is why you are a laughable moron.:yep

As for Maggie, you are a liar when you claim you don't care that she fvcked you Northern vermin. That is evidenced by your disgust at me admiring her for doing so.

 

I refuse to argue with Foxy until she brings something real to the table.

She sits there on her menstral cycle, lying through her teeth, throwing around childish insults and things she it winning a debate.

 

Translates to.

He is right, and my girlfriend Loud Mouth, and I are fantasising lying vermin when we claim Roid Jones EVER had SERIOUS intentions of fighting any decent Heavyweight, as opposed to solely fighting John the **** Ruiz.:yep

Owned.

Next fool please.

 

The very fact that Jones fought Ruiz tells us he had ZERO intention of staying at the weight and it was a one time thing. If he was going to make an actual go of it he would have fought one of the other better and more skillful beltholders at the time. He didn't. He handpicked John Ruiz.

Then went back down to Light Heavyweight with his tail between his legs and got savagely KOed several times.