how do you score this? Cleveland Williams vs Billy Daniels

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    This really is Williams at his best. This was the period between losing to Liston that the big Cat actually began to chalk up wins over live opponents with winning records like Ernie Terrrel, Alonzo Johnson and drawing with Eddie Machen. It is before he lost to Terrell in the rematch and the gunshot wounding that halted his progress.

    Against a live rated contender Billy Daniels (whom I was impressed with in his New York fight with a young Cassius Clay) Williams must be at his best.

    Billy the Barber Daniells was coming off his two best wins against Mike DeJohn and Tony Alongi and later beat a still decent Doug Jones. He was no clown.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cleavland Williams is one of those fighters, where circumstantial evidence points to them being a wrecking machine, but their resume doesn't quite back that up.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Officer Full Member

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    7 Rounds Williams
    3 Rounds Daniels

    97-93 Williams


    Williams looked physically past his prime vs Herring in 1966, His kidney missing probably had something to do with it
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Have you watched this fight on YouTube or are you just quoting the official score?

    I only gave Williams two of the first five rounds and round one was a 10-8 round for Daniels. That means if Daniels won only just one more round the worst he could lose by is just one poin.
    With only the first five rounds available its confusing you score seven rounds to Williams?:huh
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    :good
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Daniels 3-2. He was better than I thought.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    That's the way I scored it. Daniels did well against Ali too. Good fighter.:good
     
  8. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would go with the consensus here,

    with Daniels slightly ahead on the part of the fight we see.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 Officer Full Member

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    There is no controversy to this victory

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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Have you seen the whole fight? Or not?
     
  11. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The AP report does indicate that Williams grew stronger as the fight went on.

    *one odd line was that "Williams towered over his opponent"

    Daniels was thin in comparison, but he appeared to me to be a bit taller.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Exactly. Going from film Daniels looks taller.

    There certainly was no clue that Williams power and 21lb advantage would begin to tell in the second half from what there is of the first half is there? Perhaps it did, but at this point it is still a good competitive fight.

    However, if Daniels wins just one more round it would make a very tight points decision from what there is to view. I think the first round is a 10-8 for Billy the Barber.
     
  13. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ive got the whole fight. Williams did better in the second half but it was still a competetive fight with Daniels landing and giving almost as good as he got up until the final bell.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I can imagine that. Thanks for the input. :good
     
  15. albinored

    albinored Active Member Full Member

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    ....i watched this fight between shows in a nightclub. didn't score it. all i an recall it mostly watching daniels because i was impressed by him in his fight with ali.

    i'd like to see it again but the utube referral on this page doesn't get it for me. maybe i can find it by googling it. now this thread has me interested in a fight long ago and watching it may bring back some memories.
     


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