How does the decision affect Pacquiao's legacy?

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  1. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, pretty much agree with consensus here. It affects him in the here and now. His legacy will see two wins over a hall of famer. Few people will remember the nature of the win - similar as noted to others who have had the same happen to them most notably Ali and Norton.

    I just hope JMM gets the credit he deserves in future years.
     
  2. BoxingAnalyst

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    :-( I had Mayweather edging both fights. They were both close, to say Mayweather dominated Castillo is beyond a joke.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Thing is, the general consensus/public perception is not really the 'real' answer.

    The historians will hopefully do the research (um, watch the fights objectively) and realise that Pacquiao, shock horror, was not unbeatable!

    Just like anyone who says Julio Cesar Chavez earned a draw with Sweet Pea is rightly scorned. The Ring Record, okay, will be the thing hacks and 'mainstream' fans of the sport will see, and that's fair enough. But it's not the truth.

    Looking at how many guys between 18-30 are still painstakingly researching everywhere from 1880-present day, I would hope that Marquez still gets credit for the performances he put in. Just as anyone with half a brain can do for Norton.

    There's a difference between crediting a fighter with a win (Pacman) and discrediting a fighter for losing against another top fighter (Pacman)

    Reason this fight has shocked so many is because we're used to cherry picked dead' cert' fights. When one that looked like one on paper turned out the other way it's 'how **** really is Pacquiao'?

    All the 'greats' were up against it throughout their careers. If you fight the best fighters around it's impossible not to be.
     
  4. sidthehat

    sidthehat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Is interesting. If Whitaker had got the decision over Chavez would people still have rated him below him in lists such as this by ESPN in 2007?

    Whitaker, Charles and RJJ seem most unfairly treated here...

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Willie Pep
    6. Roberto Duran
    7. Benny Leonard
    8. Jack Johnson
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Sam Langford
    11. Joe Gans
    12. Sugar Ray Leonard
    13. Harry Greb
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Jimmy Wilde
    16. Gene Tunney
    17. Mickey Walker
    18. Archie Moore
    19. Stanley Ketchel
    20. George Foreman
    21. Tony Canzoneri
    22. Barney Ross
    23. Jimmy McLarnin
    24. Julio Cesar Chavez
    25. Marcel Cerdan
    26. Joe Frazier
    27. Ezzard Charles
    28. Jake LaMotta
    29. Sandy Saddler
    30. Terry McGovern
    31. Billy Conn
    32. Jose Napoles
    33. Ruben Olivares
    34. Emile Griffith
    35. Marvin Hagler
    36. Eder Jofre
    37. Thomas Hearns
    38. Larry Holmes
    39. Oscar De La Hoya
    40. Evander Holyfield
    41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
    42. Alexis Arguello
    43. Marco Antonio Barrera
    44. Pernell Whitaker
    45. Carlos Monzon
    46. Roy Jones Jr.
    47. Bernard Hopkins
    48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    49. Erik Morales
    50. Mike Tyson