How does the GGG vs Canelo fights compare with Pac vs JMM I, II, III?

That's what I thought, dumbass. You'll never be able to produce a direct quote from Pacquiao saying he's afraid of needless. Ever. Want to know why, idiot? Because he never said it and yet, morons like you have run with that garbage for years.

Run along now.

 

I'm not going to completely dispute that Pac doped. But I disagree with your theory that FMJ PED accusations are to blame for Pac stopping the KOs.

Pac is a Flyweight champ. He carried tremendous power all the way to 126. After that the power began to taper off with each division higher. Until finally at 147 he just didn't hit hard enough to KO his opponents. That's my theory. This doesn't automatically disprove PEDs. Its quite possible he was always on PEDs. But 112 to 147 is a large jump to keep power.

 

If they were razor close then why do 90 percent think GGG won.

The Pac Marquez fights were 50/50 in the media.

 

In general though this is a false eqivialancy. Because the Pac Marquez fights, well the first two were prime for prime battles.

Pac gave Marquez a voluntary title shot for no reason other than to show the world how much balls he had. To take on Marquez.

In contrast Canelo vacated the belt. Because GGG was mandatory he vacated in order to avoid a prime Golovkin. So already it's not prime for prime.

Lastly, the Pac Marquez fights were fought at a higher level p4p than Canelo GGG. All 4 are very high level fighters. But the Pac Marquez fight was at the ATG level. There is no higher level than that.

 

GGG-Canelo were great fights. Manny-Marquez were great wars!

 

Yea I'm not saying Pac never took anything. It's quite possible he did.

But about the halt of KOs. The explanation is always that Pac got off the juice. And the climb from 112 to 147 is never mentioned.

Heres food for thought. When you climb 9 ****ing weight classes you lose power. You heard that right. A 9 weight class jump will sap your power.

 

I dont know what troll name you were using in 2009 or if you were even following boxing back then, but anyone who was following boxing clearly remembers Pacquiaos main rep Arum conveying the message that Pac did not like needles. I dont recall Pacquiao correcting Arum.

Regardless, Pac did say he was afraid of having blood taken from him LMAO.

And the main point being that Pac ducked random testing and that cannot be refuted you nuthugging troll.

 

Pac KO Diaz and Hatton out cold. What makes Pax suspect is that:

1. He rejected random testing
2. He kept his speed and power he had in the lower weights.
3. He suddenly had second prime.

 

It's logical. The first few weightclasses he outgrew as he became champion before his body was fully matured. He outgrew several weight classes. He carried power up about 3 weightclasses and it finally caught up to him at 147. Despite that, he was still putting a beating on a lot of 147's.

 

The only person pac was stopping cold above 130 was Hatton. Who walked straight into everything. 1 fight doesn't outweigh the track record of Pac losing power. Diaz took the kitchen sink. If that fight was at 122 or 126 Diaz is finished in 3 rounds.

To say that Pac hit as hard at 147 as he did at 126 is flat out absurd. On its face that's a flat out ridiculous assertion.

He never has a 2nd prime. He just stayed in his prime from 2003 until 2009.

 

No doubt he was still a decent puncher at 130, 135 and 140. But nothing special. At 147 he hit hard enough to get respect. Although plenty of guys there have sort of semi walked through him.

Hell even Diaz came forward through Pac combos. Which would have never happened at Featherweight. Nobody could walk through lower weight Pac.

But Pac was not an accumulation puncher in his natural weight. At 122 and 126 he would turn the fight around with 1 single left. Or just end it with a single shot. P4P Pac punched every bit as hard as GGG.

 

Actual boxers who fight for a living had Canelo. I've even met real GGG fans who had Canelo winning the second fight

 

A better comparison is that both "monsters" (Pac and Golov) were going to KTFO of their opponents but were beaten at their own game by Marquez and Canelo and the so called "monster's" groupies have been crying ever since.

 

The reason his KO% went down after Ricky Hatton was because he fought mostly iron chinned fighters in Mosley, Clottey, Margarit, Rios, and master boxers in Mayweather, Marquez and Bradley.

BUT when he fought other opponents such as Cotto, Algieri, Vargas and Matthysse his power looked like it always had despite fighting at higher weights. FFS he KD Shane Mosley who neither De La Hoya, Wright, Vargas, Cotto, and Mayorga were able to do.

His first prime was in the late 90s to early 2000s, then he resurrected after the near disaster against Agapito Sanchez in 2001 and didn't start slowing down around 2013.

And you add the fact that he refused random testing, it is highly suspect, especially considering how corrupt this sport is, and how vulnerable and simple Pacquiao is.