HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

Marciano did good against punchers, he was more cautious, without being gunshy. One of his biggest wins was against Layne. I see some think Layne was not to good. Layne had wins over four guys in top 10, was undefeated, and had a win over Walcott. Marciano destoyed him. Layne was only 90% of fighter he had been after that bout.
Marciano would not be reckless agaisnt Tyson, and same other way around. They would go at it agressivly, but not as if it was a pushover in front of them. It could go either way, I give Marciano the edge, but it is close. Tyson was great too, and in no way the cowardly bully some (Teddy "ass-holio" Atlas" ) try to make hm out to be.

 

absolutly

 

The thing that people dont realise here is that most of Tyson's earlier opponents were intimindated by him. Fighter like Mitch Green were not good fighters. I think a lot of Tyson but he was a front runner and never got off the floor to win and only once Ko'd a man after 8. The fight would be dangerous for Marciano early but he did have a solid chin and so did Mike but Marciano was a hard puncher also with both hands....If Mike is aggressive he also leaves himself open to some of Rocky's bombs and it by no means would be a comfortable fight for him. A lot of this fight would boil down to heart and determination. More than one would think

 

And conditioning. and what heavy was ever better than Marciano in the conditioning department?

Everyone seems to concern themselves with the effectiveness of the Tyson right uppercut. Marciano threw perfect uppercuts with both hands and Tyson is open for that punch. The other thing Marciano did was to land lots of hard shots on the shoulders/biceps and I think he'd take the zip of Tyson's punches which lose their zip anyway when fatigue sets in. Superior corner for Marciano as well and Rocky paid attention and sure did know how to win fights.

 

I don't want to keep going over this again.

No offense, but I do feel like a lot of people in these threads might not be athletes. There's quite a huge difference between going through the motions and bleeding your heart out to win. Tyson knocked down Douglas down in the 8th doesn't prove anything. In fact, Douglas pounding on Tyson on the ropes in the 9th tells the whole story.

 

Yes, its the opposition part that Mike had trouble with. The kink in his armour that he never overcame and was apparent near the end...When a fighter took what he had and dished out his own....It was reveiled to him 1st with Douglas, the with Evander...later on with Williams and McBride...when the going got tough...Mike fizzled...early on he did not see a fight where the water got deep...when he did he fizzled.....He was one of the best front runners but there is no proff that he could get off the floor to win or comeback from a serious deficit and emerge victorious...Marciano proved he could and it is in this area that he is head and shoulders over Tyson

 

Yes, and many other great champions have. Even Liston has overcome and proven more. So called other "bully" type fighters. Even the big invincible sluggers like Foreman did. Is it fair that he didn't have to in his absolute peak? Or is his absolute peak overstated because he never had an opponent that hung around with him. Tyson obviously underestimated Douglas but the difference between the man from 1990 and 1988 is noticeable but a lot more underwhelming then people will let on.

 

If Tyson is to win, he would need to fully use his physical advantages, go all out, and try to get Rocky out as fast as possible. If he doesn't, that's where Marciano's superior conditioning takes over. There was an aura of invincibility about Rocky. No matter how much or how hard you hit him, he would just keep coming... and coming... and coming. All the while slowly murdering your entire body with his bowling ball punches. Tyson may be bigger and stronger, but Marciano's assault was overall more tenacious and damaging.

 

So are you picking Marciano by a late KO

 

You guys are on drugs.

 

Not a given, but a distinct possibility, if Tyson doesn't get him early.

 

Very nicely worded...I'm a fan of Mike's obviously, but you are correct.

 

He was more tenacious, but more damaging? Would Ezzard Charles stand up to Tyson the way he did to Rocky? Would Don Cockell go nine rounds with Tyson?

I don't think so personally.

 

This thread is amusing. If they were able to fight tomorrow I wonder how many of you would actually put your last dollar on Rocky ? I'm sure none. It is interesting because like autobiography's , even if facts are not retold in truth, how they are spun tells a lot about the author.

Tyson would crush him a few rounds, tops. He is not an old cruiserweight or blown up light heavyweight. He is not a worn out Joe Louis. He's not old, battle scarred Lee Savold or 179 pound Harry Kid Mathews. Tyson was faster, stronger, harder hitting, exceptionally well conditioned, had an iron chin and killer instinct.

Anyone who knows boxing knows styles make fights and the much smaller, slower, weaker, aggressive minded Marciano, who knew no style but straight ahead is made to order for Tyson. It's not a knock on Rocky, just reality. To pick him when he was never even in the ring once in his entire career against a large, fast, young , hard hitting, talented heavyweight shows how many romanticise this man.

This crap about Tyson losing to the first guys that stood up to him is revisionist bull**** and an insult to Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Briggs, Holmes, Tubbs and Spinks. All save Bonecrusher gave their all. They simply lost to a terrific fighting machine. This bully crap was all started by Teddy Atlas who always had a personalized gripe with Tyson and pretty much everyone else as well.

Trevor Berbick came to fight and was crushed. Ever see the first round of Tyson/Thomas ? See the punishment Pinklon takes without quitting and manages to nail Tyson a few times in the second and third rounds ? He did not quit, he got crushed. I could go on and on.

Mike Tyson is a terrible excuse for a human being. His behavior over the years is inexcusable. That being said , when simply focusing on his career, try to keep personal feelings out of it if possible. To say 187 pound Marciano survives to win in a war of is one hell of a reach.

Who believes in Santa Clause here ?

 

i believe you :good