How good was Grebs comp?

I think THE best ever. For the best fighter ever.

 

What modern fighters do you think look better technicaly on film than Gene Tunney or Tommy Loughran?

What middleweight since Greb would have had a ghost of a chance against Gene Tunney?

Realisticaly?

In fact if you think that Greb's record is over-rated I would be interested to know exactly what fighter you think did have a good record?

 

oh **** man, you woke up janitor. now it's on :bbb

 

Harry Greb and Maxie Rosenbloom fought the most top flight fighters then anyone.

Gene Tunney (1) – Hall of Famer – World Heavyweight Champion – Beat Dempsey twice
Tommy Loughran (4) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jimmy Slattery (1) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Maxie Rosenbloom (1) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jack Dillon (2) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Battling Levinsky (6) – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Billy Miske (2) – Hall of Famer - Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Mickey Walker (1) – Hall of Famer – World Welterweight & Middleweight Champion
Mike Gibbons (1) – Hall of Famer Tommy Gibbons (2) – Hall of Famer – Went 15 rounds with Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Kid Norfolk (1) – Hall of Famer Tiger Flowers Hall of Famer – World Champion
Mike McTigue (2) – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Al McCoy (2) – World Middleweight Champion
George Chip (2) – World Middleweight Champion
Johnny Wilson (3) – World Middleweight Champion
Eddie McGoorty (1) – Claimed World Middleweight Champion
Willie Meehan (2) – Beat Dempsey twice
Gunboat Smith (2) – Top Heavyweight
Bill Brennan (4) – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Augie Ratner - Defeated four world champions in his career
Jack Blackburn Hall of Famer as a trainer

Also, here's a list of all the outstanding fighters he beat with their record when he did so:

Young Ahearn 69-14-12
Al McCoy 69-33-30 – World Middleweight Champion
Jeff Smith 28-13-1
George Chip 62-20-8 – World Middleweight Champion
Jack Dillon 166-14-24 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Battling Levinsky 136-29-26 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jeff Smith 30-14-1
George Chip 65-23-9 – World Middleweight Champion
Willie Meehan 65-12-33 – Beat Dempsey twice
Augie Ratner 34-3-3
Jack Dillon 168-19-26 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Mike McTigue 44-16-3 – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Al McCoy 70-38-31 – World Middleweight Champion
Soldier Bartfield 96-20-19
Gunboat Smith 75-30-9 – Top Heavyweight
Soldier Bartfield 96-21-19
Soldier Bartfield 97-22-19
Eddie McGoorty 77-13-15 – Claimed World Middleweight Champion
Battling Levinsky 143-32-3 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Billy Miske 43-9-10 – Hall of Famer - Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Leo Houck 109-23-18
Soldier Bartfield 99-24-22
Tommy Robson 41-14-6
Bill Brennan 40-8-5 – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Battling Levinsky 146-34-30 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Leo Houck 113-24-18
Bill Brennan 40-9-5 – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Billy Miske 48-11-10 – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Leo Houck 116-26-18
Battling Levinsky 147-35-30 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Willie Meehan 73-16-35 – Beat Dempsey twice
Bartley Madden 20-9-4
Tommy Robson 43-17-6
Joe Borrell 50-25-10
Mike Gibbons 87-3-9 – Hall of Famer
Bill Brennan 40-11-6 – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Battling Levinsky 148-37-31 – Hall of Famer – World Champion
Bill Brennan 40-12-6 – Fought Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Jeff Smith 41-19-1
Battling Levinsky 151-38-31 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Mike McTigue 51-19-5 – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Tommy Robson 49-20-7
Bob Moha 39-18-9
Tommy Gibbons 49-0-3 – Hall of Famer – Went 15 rounds with Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Bob Moha 39-19-9
Chuck Wiggins 23-5-3
Gunboat Smith 81-41-14
Bartley Madden 25-14-5
Bob Moha 40-20-9
Jeff Smith 57-21-2
Jeff Smith 57-22-2
Jack Renault 15-1-2
Bartley Madden 26-17-5
Kid Norfolk 59-7-1 – Hall of Famer
Chuck Wiggins 31-12-6
Charley Weinert 53-12-3
Billy Shade 38-9-18
Homer Smith 38-11-4
Chuck Wiggins 35-14-6
Jeff Smith 65-25-3
Tommy Gibbons 75-1-3 – Hall of Famer – Went 15 rounds with Dempsey for Heavyweight Title
Gene Tunney 48-0-2 – Hall of Famer – World Heavyweight Champion – Beat Dempsey twice
Tommy Loughran 25-1-3 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Tommy Loughran 27-3-3 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Tommy Loughran 27-4-3 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Johnny Wilson 70-16-4 – World Middleweight Champion
Lou Bogash 75-9-15
Chuck Wiggins 44-25-9
Bryan Downey 74-26-16
Tommy Loughran 33-7-4 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Johnny Wilson 73-17-4 – World Middleweight Champion
Jackie Clark 112-53-38
Jimmy Slattery 48-1-0 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Jimmy Delaney 40-5-5
Augie Ratner 60-23-9 - Defeated four world champions in his career
Jimmy Delaney 40-7-5
Johnny Wilson 75-21-4 – World Middleweight Champion
Jack Reddick 25-5-3
Mickey Walker 49-9-1 – Hall of Famer – World Welterweight and Middleweight Champion
Maxie Rosenbloom 32-3-5 – Hall of Famer – World Light Heavyweight Champion
Roland Todd 60-11-3
Jimmy Delaney 46-10-6
Allentown Joe Gans 30-11-9
Tiger Flowers 64-8-3 - Hall of Famer – World Middleweight Champion

 

How much of Greb's comp have people seen?

 

I've seen film of

Gene Tunney
Tommy Loughran
Jimmy Slattery
Mickey Walker
Mike Gibbons
Tommy Gibbons
Kid Norfolk
Mike O'Dowd
Bill Brennan
Mike McTigue
Al McCoy
George Chip
Bartley Madden
Jimmy Delaney

 

:good

 

Lol!! Seems to be more educated opinions over here my friend.

 

You're watching film of them that isn't the same speed of today, black and hit, shot at a distance in most cases and from only one angle. Many like Tunney and Loughran still look great, and thats a credit to how smooth they really were, but in most cases it is hard to pick out the little nuances that would make the fighter look more complete as we see on film today.

As far as boxing advancing....whats advanced about it? Diet and supplements have changed, thats about it. Fighters aren't in better shape. Don't fight longer or as often, don't throw more punches. They fight a softer schedule and have an easy route to a paper title in many cases. I can go on and on, but I've been thru this a hundred times before.

 

You've said it all...The old timers fought 3 to 4 more times on average than today.This gave them endurance and experience...They had Full time trainers, teaching the boxers everything they knew about the game..They learned the art of infighting which is sadly lacking now...In the New York area there was a boxing arena operating somewhere six days a week...
With such a vast pool of fighters, the calibre of talent was plentiful...
Could a fighter fight today forty five times in ONE year like Harry Greb did ?Of course not..He was an amazing fighter in a great pool of fighters.
It was not for nothing ,that the 1920s were called the " Golden Age of Boxing "....

 

Greb has the best resume of any fighter ever.

 

No, it´s not.

 

Not really much of an option, either the best ever or not very good. I voted overrated because the era as a whole is overrated, boxing got better and more competitive as a whole

 

Robinson has the better resume but its close

 

I can't vote on this.......... Greb did fight good fighters...... No Doubt...... However, of course some bums and stiffs were in the mix too..... Harry Greb is an all-time great 160 pounder...... Again, No Doubt....... But by most accounts his defense was sloppy and his punching power was average........ Greb's skills were also rumored to be somewhat crude, as well.......

Judging by what I've read and studied on Harry Greb, I think he'd have lotsa' problems with dude's like "Robinson, Monzon, Hagler & B-Hops."

Still, Ol' Greb is a Hall of Famer......

MR.BILL