How Good Were Benn and Eubanks ?

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Qualified judges, paid to give the homtown star the benefit of the doubt- hardly anyone bar you and them gave him yhe Amaral fight and even his own team said Schommer beat him.:yep. Eubank's 'tour' was basically a fighter staying busy earning money vs also-rans and fighters who nobody would ever hear from again...and this is meant to be impressive? I'd have preferred him fighting twice a year vs a Toney or a Jones, but both would have beaten him in their sleep and we know that he knew that too.

    You were fooled by the garbage he served up most of the time, so well done you...the equaivalent of you in Germany loved watching Ottke and also points to "qualified judges" as evidence Ottke was really excellent. So much for the tour...what a treat that was- as demonstrated by this Boxing News cover...

    "Tour De Farce":

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOXING-NEWS-15-July-1994-/320669434924?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item4aa963442c


    More crap served up as reported here:

    "Stinker"

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/oct-21st1...145068907?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item20dce6d56b


    Close...very close fight...everyone bar a complete clown thought so. The legendary Ray Close...

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOXING-NEWS-27-May-1994-/220752128554?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item3365da2a2a


    All issues currently on sale on ebay. Posters should treat themselves to what the fight press really thought of this garbage being served up by Eubank.
     
  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing News - a biased trade paper that was read by 120 people.

    we know the British boxing press didn't rate Eubank mate. Barry McGuigan, however, an actual fighter and former world champion himself, gave Eubank the Sherry, Watson, Malinga, Thornton, Close and Amaral fights BY MILES in his commentary or analysis - that holds more weight than amateur-nobody writers.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    They knew more than a pub full of knobheads watching him on ITV


    They knew their stuff...the reality is they did rate him but not in the class of the top Americans at the time and they saw what was being served up across the pond...and were more impressed. The only ones who weren't were pubs full of knobheads.


    Really? Barry must have carte blanche on every fight that's ever happened then...the man who thought Whitaker-Chavez was an extremely close bout and that he thought a draw wasn't a bad decision on the ITV footage at the time... :lol: is, apparently, the only person whose opinion on boxing counts. Of course, an ITV "yes man", towing the party line must have far more objectivity than a trade paper that's existed for over 100 years. :huh

    Does it? Yeah, I really wish Lloyd Honeghan, Murray Sutherland and Ossie Ocasio wrote for Boxing News back then, rather than Harry Mullan, Graham Houston and Gilbert Odd.
     
  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    No...and now I'm off out to watch the match.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Eubank to me is a bit over rated as a boxer, but the man was tough. I think Jones, Hopkins or Toney schools him.

    Back in the early 90's the WBO title was thought of as the " 4th belt "
     
  7. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His poor showings against Close, Amaral, Schoomer and Sherry need to be balanced against his wins against Benn, Watson x2(I thought he beat Watson first time round in a close fight) Rochigianni (close as well)Malinga,Thornton. He was a little unlucky agains Collins in the first fight as well. That's a pretty good list of opponents.
    He was a little too crude off the front foot as Conteh states, and for me means he was a step behind the top americans like Toney,BHop and Nunn.
    RRJ and Herol Graham would've played with him as well.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I would be comfortable calling either a borderline great or a lesser great.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post, and spot on.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    Have seen this so many times and it's utter tripe that Collins came anywhere close to beating Kalambay.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unless you get the British boxing press/fans to score it (re-writing the rules of judging to include ineffective aggressive).
     
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    The Carl Froch argument ;)
     
  14. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eubank Could have been the best at any weight??? Despite being given a boxing lesson by a fat out of shape bum called Dan Schommer :lol::lol::patsch:patsch
     
  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    They were making massive money in the UK and neither were that keen on taking on Toney, Nunn or Jones Jr at the time. Eubank especially was vocal about fighting solely for money and didn't really want a 'legacy'. He said he didn't want to reduce his own life by fighting Jones and made up an obscure excuse about both being champions so neither could be the others mandatory. Benn signed to Don King who would make the fight with Jones on the basis of Jones signing a long term contract with him, Jones countered a 1 fight deal, which King rejected.

    Herol Graham beats them both and Watson won the first Eubank fight for my money.

    That's the name on his birth certificate, he couldn't pronounce it and changed it to Eubank, I'm not sure if he do so legally or not though.