How good were the white hopes?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by janitor, Nov 2, 2007.

  1. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    7,670
    Likes Received:
    99
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,363
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2006
    Messages:
    25,495
    Likes Received:
    2,179
    But that is not irony... ;)
     
  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,779
    Likes Received:
    2,119
    McCarty was pretty good based on his record, only a fool would dismiss his potential. The Palzar win which cemented his status would ultimatedly prove to be unflattering as Al imploded. Pelkey was'nt much either and Flynn was losing a lot at this time. Moran too lost a lot to weak opposition so while great credit is due to the inexperienced and youthful Luther, he had not in truth achieved a lot and we can only speculate as to what he might have achieved.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Messages:
    23,792
    Likes Received:
    2,391
    I read many storys of Luther McCarthy and how good he was, he had size 6"4 and was a well built man, but the day before the fight he fell off a horse and hit his head hard, it only took a glancing punch to kill him and when he layed there in the ring a ray of light shone directley on MarCarthy's lifeless torso....Erie...I guess the powers that be had other plans
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,007
    He won the white heavyweight title verry early in his career. I think he would only have got better from there and bigger too. Hard to say how far he would have gone but he had already established himself as a future title challenger when he died and done as much asw the other white hopes did in their entire careers.

    Incidentaly I think Pelkey was going places if he hadnt killed McCarthy. They kind of canceled each other out.
     
  7. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    2,892
    Likes Received:
    16
    Do you have any articles on McCarthy, Janitor?
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,007
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,363
    I have a good one on McCarty. The article Janitor posted indicates Smith would have defeated McCarty.

     
  10. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    1,840
    Likes Received:
    12
    I read the article, and while the author has passion, I was disappointed he didn't discuss anything about the hopes, he only mentioned a couple by name and seems to act like he could have gotten in the ring and beaten all the white hopes.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,007
    As he probably would.

    McCarthy wasnt ready for Smith yet.

    But is you look at the length of his career and how much he did in it it is special.
     
  12. Ringrat

    Ringrat Amateur Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Messages:
    526
    Likes Received:
    5
    I helped Tracy with that article. Smith wanted to fight McCarty, but Billy McCarney was not interested yet. He was talking to Jack Johnson's people and he wanted a bigger cut than Jack was willing to concede. Then tragedy struck in Tommy Burns' Arena in Calgary.
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,363
    Here is a decent read on Luther McCarty. Can you read it Ring Rat?

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archiv...A1E3CE633A25751C0A9609C946396D6CF&oref=slogin
     
  14. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,779
    Likes Received:
    2,119
    A nice informative piece. It doesn't however tell us much about McCartys standing as a white hope except that he hammered Morris, considered quite a feat at the time but subsequently devalued as Morris proved not to be very much.
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,363
    Thanks. I have a special read on McCarty that needs to be re-formated before I post it.

    Here's another question on the " white hopes ". Could McCarty, GunBoat Smith, Jack Dillion or Kid McCoy been champion in any other era?

    I think so. The early 1930's come to mind.