How Impressive Would Monzon look, Against Hagler s Title Opponents?

I think Carlos looks better than Hagler against all of Hagler's opponents and goes 12-0. I also think he would beat Vito comprehensively the first time around (same treatment he gave to Vito's countryman Nino I'd guess) and would outpoint SRL imo. Hagler is pretty frustrating for me to watch, he doesn't really impose his will on his opponents, he doesn't have much of a jab, he switches too much for my taste, and seemed too concerned with winging off big shots more than actually winning rounds. Hearns is the worst stylistic matchup since Monzon never really fought anyone the same size or bigger than him but if you took Tommy outta his construct, made him uncomfortable, and forced him to do things he didn't want to, he struggled to adapt. Hearns also had bad defence (he had a solid chin contrary to popular belief, he just got hit too much due to his leaky defence) which would mean he'd eat a lot of jabs and laser focused right hands from Monzon, who probably stops him late.

 

Carlos beats all of Marvin's challengers from Obelmejias I - Mugabi. Leonard may also cause an upset like he did with Hagler.

 

You are watching a different Hagler to the rest of the world let it be said. The only guys he didn't impose his will on once he won the title were Duran and Leonard and he beat Duran (by more than the cards too) and had a close one way past his best with Ray. The guy was a terror outside of those two bouts and his jab is known as one of the best in boxing. As for winging big shots and not worrying about winning rounds? He dominated the rounds in his title defenses in all except two and to a lesser extent Mugabi during which it was obvious he'd lost a lot.

I reckon you are focusing on Duran, Leonard and perhaps Mugabi (Title shot draw too perhaps) and rating him off just that which is blatantly wrong.

 

I would see Hearns winning a fencing match — nobody ever outboxed Hearns and Thomas wouldn’t go on a kamikaze mission — but I’d favor Carlos to win a UD or maybe wear him down for a late stoppage.

Otherwise, Carlos gets through them same as Hagler. Maybe Leonard against an older Carlos could pull it off, but I kind of doubt it.

 

I wouldn't put it past Monzon to beat all of Hagler's opposition, including Leonard.

 

Monzon would beat all Haglers. And Hagler would beat all Monzons
If there are 2 boxers in the History of the sport who are equal in greatness, equal in quality of opposition, and equal in resumes ....
well , we are talking about them right now
There is no and never will be trying to put one over the other, it is just not happening. Both have their equal argument
And to top it off, it will always be a 50 - 50 fight at that

 

I dunno, but, for me anyways, Hagler never seemed all that cerebral and seldom dictated the terms he fought under. He relied quite heavily on his athleticism to get him through the tough fights rather than using skills predominantly. This isn’t to say Hagler was unskilled of course, he obviously was, I just think what he was capable of and what he showed in the ring are blown out of proportion. There’s both Antuofermo fights, the Briscoe fight, the Duran fight, the Mugabi fight, and the SRL fight where he failed to truly control the fight by imposing his will on an opponent or dictating to them the conditions of the fight. Maybe I’ve just not watched enough of him for this to be an accurate estimation of him but from what I’ve watched this is how I feel about him. I’m happy to be corrected though and if there’s any fight you’d recommend to see Hagler imposing his will I’d be willing to change my tune.

 

I think Monzon wouldn’t better than Hagler against the opponents that Hagler looked good against because Hagler looked amazing against them but he might look better than Hagler against the fighters Marvelous didn’t look so good against (Antuofermo in the first fight, Duran, Leonard, Mugabi).

Monzon against the Duran who fought Hagler is a fascinating fight come to think of it.

 

Wins all 12, the biggest challenge being Hearns, the rest pose no threat.

 

I think the only real difference is Monzon probably stops Hearns in the 2nd half of the fight instead of the 1st half like Hagler did [/QUOTE]

Tbh, Monzon never really fought someone with longer reach than him, and considering hes a defensive fighter, i think tommy can win a descision or even knock him out, but it is true that monzon's right could easily put hearns away.

 

I think the same about Monzon tbh watching him he never looked that good too me pretty much just overwhelmed people with his jabs and straights while taking a number of shots from his opponents until he just broke them down and they fell to his pressure. While an effective style was never super impressed with it.

 

I don't know what all this Nunn talk is about but I do know that for a while his nickname was "I just got a ruler across the knuckles by a:"
But, for some reason, announcers found this unwieldy.

 

This tends to be the effect Monzon has on some. He's like a Rorschach test for boxing fans. Some, like myself, see him as a genius and adore watching him, while others simply don't. You have to really get on Monzon's wave-length to fully appreciate him I've found. Sometimes I've watched him in a bad headspace and been thoroughly unimpressed. But when I've put some time aside and really focus on the finer strokes of his craft, I have found watching him to be the most pleasurable viewing experience of any boxer I've laid eyes on. Monzon is very much an acquired taste and he isn't everybody's cup of tea really.

 

So what about him impresses you just so I can try to understand? To me he seems like a middleweight Wlad who clinches slightly less (still a lot though) but gets hit way more. I'm not denying his effectiveness or his resume both are amazing I just don't think he really passes the eye test if that makes sense. But I'd like to understand what I'm missing.

 

"Rorschach test for boxing fans"

I once described my eventually 'getting' Monzon as an experience comparable to that of pareidolia.