How is 147 bad for Marquez?

What are you talking about?

He fought 145 with Cotto.

He weighed in at 144 with Margarito

If he suddenly demands a 147 limit with Marquez, it's for the same reason of the last two years. He's just plain scared of Marquez

 

Man, have you considered it was because Floyd Mayweather was the opponent?

 

Your argument works, if your figures aren't complete bull ****!

Floyd was 148 in with Marquez. Said so on Mosely/Mayweather 24/7

Floyd was only 148 with Oscar at Junior Middle. Only 149 with Mosely?

Why you saying he was 156 with Marquez?!


As for Juan, he was 141 with pacquiao, 144 with Juan Diaz, 144 with mayweather, and 148 with Kastidis.

The weight excuses are just BS. His only problem was fighting a guy like Mayweather

 

A lot of these weight claims are just excuses. Excuses for losing. Excuses for Mayweather winning. Excuses for not fighting.

The authors completely right. No facts actually support any of the claims a lot of people make.

Let's take Pacquiao vs. Marquez 2


Manny was 146 in ring. Marquez was 141 in ring. He's already faced Pacquiao at his welterweight size basically. Already fought the guy going in 5 pounds lighter.

Let's move on to Marquez Diaz.

Marquez was 144 in ring. Diaz was 148 in ring. He's already fought in the exact weight scenario you're talking about for Pacquiao.

Let's move on to Marquez Mayweather.

Again, Marquez was 144 in ring, and Mayweather was 148 in ring. Again, the exact same weight scenario as Marquez vs. Diaz. And not hugely different than Pacquiao vs. Marquez

Let's move on to Kastidis vs. Marquez

Marquez was 148 in ring that fight. I don't have Kastidis's number, but let's assume it was either the same, or more. That's the exaxct same weight Pacquiao goes in at.



The only reason these weight issues come out, is Mayweather whupped the guy, and fans historically can't just accept Mayweather beats people as he's very very good. There's always some issue.

When Marquez fought around Welter, he wasn't facing a Welterweight. He was facing a guy the same weight, in ring, as half of his lightweights he'd faced. Only marginally heavier than Pacquiao at Super Feather!

As I said, the weight issue is just your "why mayweather won" excuses

 

By the way, Manny should move down to at least 144 to face Marquez.

How the guy can demand a 145 weight with Cotto, weigh in at 144 for Margarito, and tell people he'll only face Marquez at 147 is hilarious.

Manny wouldn't fight Marquez at 135 or 140. The guy's been chasing his chicken butt ever since he got his lucky decision.

So for Manny, who has serious business with Marquez, at a fair weight, to suddenly claim he can only fight at 147?

As I said, that's just a guy trying to put barriers in the way of the bout, so he can face someone else.

 

Very well put :good

 

Your point is essentially that someone who saunters to a weigh in weighing 144lbs for a fight where the limit is 150 could not weigh in at 140lbs. Why, does Pacquiao have no water in his body or something? Was he dried out when he weighed 6lbs under the limit? You're making no sense here.

Don't remember suggesting this. I would suggest he would train that way for a Pacquiao fight (without the dehydration to 135 for the weigh-in, obviously), but Pacquiao is not a welterweight. Welterweights are guys that come to the ring at 155lbs plus.

 

Why does, on your figures, JMM's body naturally contain 6lbs more water than Manny Pacquiao's?

Again a big atsch for someone who thinks that Pacquiao at 144 (6lbs inside the limit) was exactly as dried out as Marquez on the limit at 135.

 

reading comprehension is not your strong suit


i said 140 he would be dried out (not drained) as jmm is dried out (not drained) at 135...at their current body types, thus even at 140, he would be carrying considerably more muscle into the ring....at 147 he would not only be carrying more muscle, but could potentially put on even more during camp

140 wouldn't drain him, he would still have a size advantage, and is beyond reasonable

the reason he wants 147 is he wants to not only be bigger than jmm, but to slow jmm down also, as he saw what the weight jump did to jmm in the pbf fight

manny carries his weight very well as jmm does not (not up to ww anyway) and since pac is not having problems with his weight (i.e. margo trying to squeeze into ww at this point of his career) there is no reason he cannot comfortably fight at 140...and he and his team know it...but at the end of the day, it isn't about what manny is comfortable with, it's about what jmm isn't comfortable with

 

Interesting point.

Marquez looked so bad at 147 but people tend to forget he was possibly facing the most skillful fighter in boxing.

 

What you actually said was that Pacquiao has '10lbs' more muscle than JMM. Which is a completely made up number on your part and not supported by the fact that JMM's natural fighting weight at this time is about 144lbs and Pacquiao's about 147. That seem about right based on their recent few fights?