How was Jack Dempsey

manbearpig · Jun 20, 2012

burt bienstock said: ↑

mbp, at first i thought you were joking but obviously you are serious...Look at my avater, do I look like an "18" year old ? My dad was born in 1900. Do the math, and develop a sense of humor....Good day ...
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What are you on about? I've asked you a question on why you said you were 18, and when you decided to go under the guise of a wise elder.

And besides, a picture on an internet forum is hardly concrete evidence of who someone is.

McGrain · Jun 20, 2012

Leave him alone mbp.

manbearpig · Jun 20, 2012

Okay Matthew, since I like you.

Pachilles · Jun 20, 2012

With all due respect gaybear****pig, you aint **** but a cheap imitation of me. Only you take you take yo shortbread wrapper clothed william wallace ass seriously.

manbearpig · Jun 20, 2012

Pachilles said: ↑

With all due respect gaybear****pig, you aint **** but a cheap imitation of me. Only you take you take yo shortbread wrapper clothed william wallace ass seriously.
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I was here first so shut up Ballsackilles

manbearpig · Jun 20, 2012

Why do you type like a Ghetto black man stereotype anyway you ****ing idiot? You're from the Midlands or something for **** sake

Stevie G · Jun 20, 2012

MadcapMaxie said: ↑

The Dempsey threads are always the funniest on Classic for some reason.
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They are indeed. Also,along with the Muhammad Ali ones,the most polarising.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · Jun 20, 2012

Stevie G said: ↑

They are indeed. Also,along with the Muhammad Ali ones,the most polarising.
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Yep. And in a lesser scale.....Jack Johnson threads as well....

Stevie G · Jun 20, 2012

Vic-JofreBRASIL said: ↑

Yep. And in a lesser scale.....Jack Johnson threads as well....
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True. Mr Johnson will be smiling at the controversy he still causes,no doubt.

Pachilles · Jun 20, 2012

manbearpig said: ↑

Why do you type like a Ghetto black man stereotype anyway you ****ing idiot? You're from the Midlands or something for **** sake
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As many posters that know who i am, from seeing me on TV, can comfirm, i am both black and aint from nowhere near the Midlands

I was part of a rap group who got 6 top 10 tracks in the UK in the 00's, breh. What you done with your life Ally McCoist?

Hearns · Jun 20, 2012

Pachilles said: ↑

As many posters that know who i am, from seeing me on TV, can comfirm, i am both black and aint from nowhere near the Midlands

I was part of a rap group who got 6 top 10 tracks in the UK in the 00's, breh. What you done with your life Ally McCoist?
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It would have been good, but I'm a Tim, not a hun. We just so happen to think the same fighters are overrated, I dont see how I'm a poor man's you just because of that.

Anyway, you think Jack Johnson is a legend, I think he's overrated and in the same tier as Dempsey, so **** you.

McGrain · Jun 20, 2012

Hearns said: ↑

It would have been good, but I'm a Tim, not a hun. We just so happen to think the same fighters are overrated, I dont see how I'm a poor man's you just because of that.

Anyway, you think Jack Johnson is a legend, I think he's overrated and in the same tier as Dempsey, so **** you.
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Wrong account again dude.

Diagoras · Jun 20, 2012

Found this article by accident, link is long dead but thought article might interest some people here:

Saturday, January 1, 2000

Dempsey Was The Big Daddy
By Max Schmeling

HAMBURG -- This century has provided many dramatic boxing matches and yielded even more unique heroes. Trying to name them all would be asking a little too much.
But my short list of those boxers who will never be forgotten includes -- in alphabetical order -- Mohammed Ali, Henry Armstrong, Georges Carpentier, Julio Cesar Chavez, George Foreman, Harry Greb, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Jack Johnson, Ray Leonard, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Carlos Monzon, Archie Moore, Willie Pep, Ray Robinson, and Mike Tyson.

But now I want to add, all by itself, one more name: Jack Dempsey.

Despite all the class shown by the others, Dempsey was not only my own idol, he remains for me to this day the greatest of them all.

He embodied the complete perfection of a professional boxer.

Jack, the ninth of 11 children of an impoverished family of Mormon itinerant workers in Colorado, welded brilliant technique and strategy with a stupendous punch like no other boxer.
His punches came packed with the full power of his entire shoulder span.
He was a nightmare of an opponent.
He hated sharing the ring with anybody else.
He appeared to be a fist-fighter from another planet.
It was no coincidence that they called him the 'man killer'.

Writer Joyce Carol Oates in her famous essay 'On Boxing' was right on target when she said that Dempsey's style of fighting -- fast, direct, and merciless -- has forever put its stamp on the sport of boxing in America, and not only there.
She is also not wrong when she says that today's boxing matches, compared with those of Dempsey's, appear to be harmless minuets.

We never faced each other in a prize fight. Jack's seven-year era as heavyweight world champion ended almost four years before mine began.
Still, we did box twice against each other.
The first time was in 1925, when he was on his honeymoon trip in Europe and made a stop in Cologne where he gave a sampling of his boxing know-how to a few thousand spectators in the city's Luna Park.
I was one of three Cologne boxers who were chosen to go two rounds against him.
The second time was certainly different, coming in May 1933 in New York, when he visited me in training camp four weeks before my fight against Max Baer and wanted to spar with me.
In the first round I landed my right directly in the middle of his nose, which had been operated on, and he quit right there.

By no means do I mean to overglorify him or above all the first half of this century of boxing.
But the fact is that our fights back then were definitely much tougher, much more brutal.
I was still boxing with only four- and five-ounce gloves, and after two rounds they were mostly already torn apart, with only a few patches of tough leather covering my knuckles. The punches were extremely painful.
Back then, there were also only eight weight categories, in which there was, logically, only a single world champion.
It was extremely difficult to box your way to the top.

This is not meant in the slightest to dismiss later achievements, for example those by Mohammed Ali.
It was especially thanks to him that boxing battles gained a new seal of quality.
The heavyweight division will always exert a magical attraction, it is simply in the nature of things.

Still, I must honestly say that for years now I have no longer attended a match and only rarely do I watch a fight on television.
This is because usually everybody knows beforehand who is going to win.
There was in my time, when already the purses were going into the millions, certainly some amount of behind-the-scenes deal-making going on -- and it was not always fair, as I found out for myself on June 8, 1937.
I had already been weighed in, but title defender Jimmy Braddock, against whom I had wanted to become the first boxer to break through the 'they-never-come-back' law, did not appear.
He was then suspended by the New York boxing authority and slapped with a ludicrous fine of a mere $1000.
As it later became evident, this was all a fixed deal.
For Braddock, who was supposedly ill, had already long earlier signed another contract for a title bout against Joe Louis.
The fight took place a few weeks later.
The clincher was a secret clause in which Braddock was guaranteed 10 percent of all his opponent's earnings for the next 10 years.

For the benefit and for the credibility of boxing I would hope that the new century will see a harkening back to the past times -- when there was only one association and only one champion per weight category. It would additionally be nice if a German heavyweight would finally follow in my footsteps.

Let the fight begin!
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"The refined techniques of movement -- lightning-quick ducking and side-stepping -- were unknown. That all really didn't start until Dempsey."
-- Max Schmeling on Jack Dempsey's influence

"The refined techniques of movement -- lightning-quick ducking and side-stepping -- were unknown. That all really didn't start until Dempsey." ... Max Schmeling credited a film of the Dempsey-Carpentier fight for sparking his career in boxing. He first met his idol in 1925, when Dempsey came to Europe on his honeymoon. The champ got in the ring with a few young fighters, including Schmeling. Dempsey told Max that he was a future champion; reminded of this comment years later, Dempsey laughed and said, "That's what I told all the young boxers I met back then." A retired Dempsey visited Schmeling again in 1933 to promote a boxing match and they sparred a bit for the press. The two men shared an uncanny physical resemblance. Schmeling expected a loose practice session, but "Dempsey stormed over to me -- as he would have in his prime -- and decked me." Schmeling fought back and Dempsey laughed off the situation.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/fight/peopleevents/p_dempsey.html
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Nightcrawler · Jun 20, 2012

Pachilles said: ↑

As many posters that know who i am, from seeing me on TV, can comfirm, i am both black and aint from nowhere near the Midlands

I was part of a rap group who got 6 top 10 tracks in the UK in the 00's, breh. What you done with your life Ally McCoist?
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haven't heard that ****ers name is a while

ETM · Jun 20, 2012

Its been a long time since Dempsey fought and he has been surpassed by alot of other heavyweights.

One thing that you can say about Jack Dempsey is that he changed the fighting style of heavyweights. He had a modern attack. A fast paced attacking style that heavyweights didnt employ up to that time.

It was exciting, it was explosive. He drew $

As Ray Arcel said when Dempsey passed seeing him fight was like watching a Tiger let loose.

Whether you like Dempsey or think think he is overated, ducked Wills or whatever. Boxing owes him respect. He did alot for that game. More than just about anybody else.

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