How well would Sam Langford do today?

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Joe Jennette was around the same size as Jean Pascal but with the skillset of a Chris Eubank Jr.

    Beating a stiff , uncoordinated and very basic 190lbs Joe Jennete doesn't prove he has the beating of ANY 200lbs+ man with elite level skills.

    Dave Allen would mush Jean Pascal just to puts things into perspective.

    I keep hearing about Harry Wils but nobody is willing to acknowledge that out of about 10 fight , Sam was only victorious in about 1 of them. Correct me if im wrong with his exact record.
    Ive observed Wills and he is no different than Willard.

    Joe Gans is a different story . We already agree that Langford would be ranked the best in the lower weights.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You don't actually believe that. You say it because you want to romanticise the legend that surrounds this guy. What you claim defies reality.

    You actually believe a little 5'7 man could walk through Joe Joyce? A mammoth of a man so big he made Daniel Doubis look small.. Why do you utter these silly fantasties ?
     
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  3. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    Langford would knock out all 3, possibly same night!
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Langford stopping Wilder isn't far-fetched.
     
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  5. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Nah, no way Dave Allen beats Jean Pascal.

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  6. Unforgiven

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    Where did I say he'd walk through Joe Joyce ?
     
  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am the ignorant one ?!
    Yet you are the one who claims he'd be champ in any division he wants and retire undefeated.
    Sure, he might improve and be great in the lower classes, but he stands no chance whatsoever higher up in weight/class.

    Yeah, and pigs fly.
    Man, you lack common sense.
     
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  8. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    he had the skillset for , do you know what differences of skillsets look like , can you compare properly or is it the same old hands down bad they dont look modern argument from you dummies.
     
  9. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    Ill say he walks through Joe Joyce.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Whatever he was, he had an iron chin and Sam is the only man ever to have really busted it.

    Yeah, I read the same argument over and over and over again with just about every heavyweight who never beat "an elite superheavyweight with skills". Remember that guy? You now sound just like him.

    Nobody knows what would happen if Sam Langford fought "an elite super-heavyweight with skills", that is true.

    Your characterisation of Jeanette though, is useless.

    Yeah, that's pretty horrible, and incorrect.

    First, my point was in response to a specific question you asked and that answer had nothing to do with Sam's overall record against Harry Wills. I responded directly to your point, while your own response is literally non-responsive, evasive and a shift of the goalposts.

    But because there are children that read this forum, and because your posting is useless and misleading, I'll put forth some effort here.

    It's true that Sam was heartily thrashed by Wills in the series overall. But it is also true that in the very short spell where a veteran Sam Langord, probably sneaking past prime but still excellent, was matching a primed Harry Wills. And he did rather well in that period where they two men were as close to their own primes as they got. He did the better work, allowing for knockouts.

    He was then battered by Wills when he hit the downside of his enormous career which was unequalled until the heyday of Ray Robinson (allowing Greb). He was almost inarguably the hardest puncher of his era and I suspect he remained boxing's hardest puncher until Sonny Liston arrived on the scene, though that is obviously very difficult to prove. Certainly those hit by both he and Jack Dempsey were clear that Langford hit harder and those hit by both he and McVey were clear that he hit far harder.


    Awful.

    Whatever the story, the headline is you think Gans is no better than Jess Wilalrd.

    That's someone who doesn't know what they are talking about i'm afraid.
     
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  11. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Skill matters obviously, but so does size, and you people keep forgetting that. The man was 5 ft 6 - 5 ft. 7, for ****s sake. How can you really believe he stands a chance of being undefeated ?!?
    He ain't even a MW at that height. Bigger guys will rip him apart, regardless of his skill.
     
  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So 5'7.5 Langford would be too small for MWs, but 5'8 Canelo isn't too small for LHWs? Seriously?
     
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  13. Samtotheg

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    Damn you are dumb, go look up this fight kid norfolk vs big bill tate ...mr tate was 6 ft 6 and norfolk wasnt even 6 feet go look how that fight went. With that size differential , go look up Mickey walker vs jack sharkey when you are shorter or smaller you get inside ,Sam had fight ending power on the inside . None of these modern guys will prevent him from getting the clinch , (if a boxer wants to clinch tthey will clinch hell go look up boxing vs karate joey hadley (cus damato student) the karate guy was able to clinch any time he wanted , you cant stop the clinch from happening and here is where Langford makes his money on the modern guys .
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Mickey Walker is a great example of a middleweight who took on heavyweights.
    And consider that almost everyone at the time regarded Walker as not as great a fighter, or at least not as great a puncher, as Langford, gives an idea of how good Sam was.
     
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  15. White Bomber

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    My point is that due to his height Langford can't take on top HWs