How were old timers so good?

No way these guys are on steroids.

The K bros work harder, more consistently, and with more dedication, then ANY fighter I have EVER seen, bar Evander Holyfield, and I would easily say they work SMARTER than Evander.

These guys are also gentleman. They define integrity. They treat everybody around them with respect, and view themselves as sportsman. Doctors in sports medicine, who have invested brilliantly, own large parts of their home region, and are adored public figures. I've never seen a needle, and I wasn't with them privately day in and day out, but if I have met or seen ANY fighter I would refuse to believe uses steroids, it'd be the guys in the gym 8 hours a day, busting their asses with the most expensive looking machinery I've ever seen.

I know what it took to get as big and muscular as I am, and it's totally doable without steroids, which would have been a massive health risk for me. You just have to know how, and you have to execute.

I'll give the K Bros more credit as men then any boxer I've ever met. They just so happen to be among the 3 or 4 best fighters I've ever shared a ring with.

 

I appreciate the response and I mean this in the least snipey way possible (will sound that way in print but hopefully you see where I'm coming from) but what about Vitali's mistake back in the day? Put it down to the follys of youth and lack of guidance?

 

To a degree. It's also a sign of the times. Think of the program he was part of. Rocky 4 was a fun romp, but it was also pretty tongue in cheek; That stuff was absolutely regular. IF he intentionally juiced to gain a leg up, so did every other former Soviet amateur before they cleaned the program up in '99. If he says he did it because of user error to fix an injury, I believe him, because steroid users in boxing are attempting to attain something, in my experience. A strength edge, a conditioning edge, something, and Vitali is a physical specimen. He's massive, he's brutish. He doesn't really need them. He was born with the right genes.

Young fighters make dumb mistakes. If a single one stains an entire career, every career ever is stained by something. There comes a time, and its hard, I know, where we've gotta let men be men, gotta let them be flawed, and have to stay objective.

If I was remembered for my worst loss, people would call me a no heart, no talent, glass jawed bum. My worst mistake outside the ring, a disloyal, money grubbing, selfish *****. And I don't think thats fair.

 

How would you compare them?

 

Apparently this is one of my most controversial boxing opinions, but Wlad would do Vitali dirty.

 

You mean he'd beat him comfortably or by using dirty methods? The former, no?

I personally see where you're coming from. Wlad is the more skilled boxer in my book, also more powerful and faster. Don't think anybody ever has an easy evening with Vitaly, but my money would be on Wlad if they met and both gave it their all.

 

Where I come, its innocent until proven guilty.

I have a passion for the law, and I believe in that with all my heart. I refuse to speculate and offer conspiracy theories against friends of mine who have shown me they are honest, gracious men of much character.

But then, I was actually a high level prizefighter, not just a fan on a forum, and we have a brotherhood at that level that might make me highly biased.

And yes, Bokaj, Vitali is rather slow, pulls away from shots with his hands down, and gets hit rather often, even given his massive advantages. His awkwardness, his power, and his incredible strength are super tough to solve, would give any fighter hell, but he doesn't hit hard enough to trigger Wlad's panic attacks(If Wlad even does panic when in trouble anymore, we don't know), and he'd be eating his younger brothers straight punches like candy.

People just say he'd "Pressure Wlad and walk him down and fight him because he has the harder chin and he's tougher!" Wlad would want him to do that. Coming forward, onto the jab? Plays completely into his hands. Walking through punches to brawl and break a guy down, Rocky Marciano style, isn't all that easy. It's incredibly difficult, and more often then not, you take too many punches to accomplish your ultimate goal. Younger K is an awful style match up for bigger K.

 

Magna, appreciate yor responses, thanks.

As for a matchup between the two, I've got Wlad too.

 

This sounds quite reasonable to me at least.

 

Dude, what's your name! I'm dying to know who you are! Even you were just a HW contender, that's still bloody amazing, considering how 99% of amateurs totally fall short in the pros! Also which one are you in your avatar? The guy on the left, or on the right?

 

what makes you say that.

 

When Vladimir Klitschko fought, I believe his name was Jackson ( Phil ? ), the huge ugly zits on Klitschko's back gave me an idea about his use of PEDs.:think