How Would You Rate Mayweather, H2H, at Each Weight?

Canelo was a fellow JMW champ.

Floyd had already fought Oscar at JMW.

Before the fight, Floyd told the media that he didn’t care what Canelo rehydrated to, as in his opinion, ‘skills paid the bills’

We both know why he made the fight at a 152 C-W.

He was obviously hoping that Canelo would struggle, which would have given him an advantage.

If it wasn’t an issue, he obviously wouldn’t have enforced it would he.

Again, the point of all this, is to look at the make up of the man.

We’re looking here at his character.

The stipulations that he made etc.

His actions.

His comments.

This is the last time I’m going to say this:

A man who behaves in the way that Floyd did throughout his career, would never have signed contracts to fight guys like Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns. And again, I don’t need a degree in psychology or to possess psychic powers, in order to predict that.

The man was one of the greatest fighters that we’ve ever seen in the history of the sport. But he didn’t possess the will and the confidence which some of his peers from the 70’s and 80’s possessed.

 

Hey, @Loudon , let's play a game. Give me a starting point in the 1970's when Floyd begins his career, and I'll tell you who's available then for him to fight, assuming he has a similar career trajectory in terms of number of opponents faced each year.

 

It's supposition. That's fine - that's how sports fans discuss sports. I can refer to the number of champions he fought, the number of weight divisions and the fact that he let Oscar dictate EVERYTHING when they fought. However, I guess that won't make a difference with you. I'm thinking that 'Pretty Boy' would sign any contract you gave him if it meant being the man in the sport. I don't understand why people side against Floyd here - he changed the game. Why should crusty old promoters get the biggest share of the pie?

For the record, I'm English, not American. This isn't some guy who buys the merchandise and thinks nobody could EVER beat him on any given night, I just admire what I saw - a man who hardly ever got hit cleanly and was laser accurate with his offence. He broke away from a poisonous promoter and tried to make big fights. Told Cotto to move from Top Rank - when he did, fought him, no hesitation. He was accused of ducking Cotto, clearly not so. Nobody thought he would dare fight Canelo. Admit it. **** those 2lbs, he fought him and schooled him. He finally did business with Pac because it was stupid not to and he got the A side status he wanted, and deserved.

 

Manny didn't agree and he pulled out if talks back in 2009 when both were closest to their prime. Roach clearly stated it was their fault because they didn't want the testing then. If pbf had done that and refused because of testing he would have been run out the sport but because pac was more liked he gets a pass and people want to change the narrative. The fact is pbf agreed back in 2009 and pac didn't those are facts.

Pbf failed no test and was cleared by NSAC he actually didn't look good in thst fight basically shot but still gave pac a boxing lesson. Better more complete fighter and beats any version of him.

 

135 would be a much better fight and a better weight for pea at 147 pbf would beat him.

 

Fair comment but I wonder if Mayweather hurts him at 135. Honestly I wonder if Mayweather hurts everybody at 130-135, it's a shame he had brittle hands. We don't know for certain if his power would have carried (and even then it kinda did, he just used it judiciously)

 

Yes brittle hands hurt his ability to hurt bigger guys as he moved up. With that said he didn't care just outboxed guys and shut them down.

 

Tbf the who ducked who argument is irrelevant in this case as Floyd was past prime when he fought Pac (as evidenced by his retiring shortly thereafter) whereas Pac had a lot left in the tank as evidenced by what he's done since then... Just a terrible styles matchup for Manny that he loses more often than not at any weight imo.

That said, I really don't see an argument for rating Floyd's resume over Pac's because of what he accomplished at the lower weights along with his wins over Matthyse, Bradley, Margarito, Thurman etc. in his older years... Dude may have the 4th best resume all time after SRR, Greb, and Ali. Floyd has a good case for being one of the best ever talent-wise but historic greatness is usually assessed by resume... Maybe that's why he went with TBE and not GOAT.

 

I think he had what you might call discouraging power, so he'd throw in a bomb in once in a while to induce hesitation, sometimes a shoulder injury.

 

I like most of this post but:

Matthyse, Bradley, Margarito, Thurman

Does not a 4th best resume of all time make.

Decent world level fights, not world class operators. If Mayweather beat those fighters you'd shrug, Old Mosley would beast all of them (not best, beast).

 

Fair post even though I disagree with some of it.

 

I agree pbf beats everyone of those guys easily. Bradley is the best of the group.

 

True but as I mentioned, that is in conjunction with Morales, Barrera, prime JMM, his runs at fly and 122 as well as his other Ws at 147. I forgot to put Armstrong ahead of him but Manny’s is definitely top 10 and ahead of Floyd’s... what he’s done is unprecedented and that’s always what jumps out of history books.

 

I didn't mean to quote you out of context, but I disagree with his resume being ahead of Floyd's. We can say prime JMM but they were close and he was brutally knocked out by JMM after Floyd schooled him. Morales, Barrera? Great fighters, same as Hernandez and Corrales. I don't like how Pac fought de la Hoya and Cotto, and how Roach was joking about catchweights with Mosley and waited until he looked finished. Pac should have left Arum earlier to fight Mayweather in 2010, I don't think he would have won but it would have been a legendary fight. By that I mean great enough to force a rematch and maybe we would have had a trilogy - he might have won one, big fights like that are never certain.

 

I disagree with ranking Genaro & Corrales over Morales and Barrera and won't get into the catchweight/waiting guys' primes out thing because it's been done to death & both guys did it.. The crux of my argument is the fact that Pac went from credible champ at 112 and 122 to champ at 147, beating quality guys the entire time. That will never be accomplished again and history looks kindly on **** like that (Greb 1919, Robinson/Wilde winning 92 in a row, Armstrong simultaneously holding titles at 126/136/147).. I could see another great boxer retiring at 50+ and 0 fighting quality opposition but I can't see another Pacquiao.