I beg of you please READ, Hopkins vs. Pascal

Well, I don't think any part of the 40-34 for the first four rounds is overly debatable, most judges score a round 10-8 when there's a KD, unless there are exceptional circumstances.

So it comes down to the last 8 rounds.

I scored them 6-2 for Hopkins, thus scoring the fight 114-112 for Pascal.

I would be fine scoring only one of the last 8 for Pascal, thus making it a draw, 113-113.

While I figure Pascal CLEARLY won the 8th, and would find the 114-112 to Hopkins that the AMERICAN judge saw, a bit off, I would not call it a robbery. It would be within the bounds of reason.'

So, unless you're a bit worked up about the whole thing, I think any score that is within a point either way of 113-113 can NOT be considered a robbery.

Yo watch it again in the cold sober light of Sunday afternoon.

You may still decide (unlike me) that Hopkins won. But I think you'll have dispensed with the 'robbery' bit.

 

The 5th was a swing round but I definitely favoured Pascal in that round. The 8th and the 12th were swing rounds too. I gave the 8th to Hopkins and 12th to Pascal.

 

I tend to agree with you, I'm never easy with how that works.

The 3rd was Hopkins round clear. 10 secs to go, Pascal lands and Hopkins touches gloves on the canvas, in no way hurt whatsoever.

Turns a clear 10-9 Hopkins round, into a 10-8 Pascal round.

However, that's how scoring usually works, although it's pretty unfair. That one off balance/flash/whatever knockdown cost Hopkins 3pts. Given the context of the knockdown, you can't really say that's entirely fair on BHop.

 

Hello Reppin'

First know that I respect you as being one of the good posters on this board even if I don't always agree with you.

I was again surprized by the great performance Bernard gave in the 2nd half of the fight and he certainly could have deserved a decision but I think you're a little too impulsively calling it a robbery...

Pascal had most likely won the first 4 rounds with 2 of them being 10-8 rounds. I actually gave him 1 more round in this fight after the 4th round, therefore the end result is much closer to a tight win for either guy or a draw as it was called.

It's too easy to now call Canada out as being a place that robs you of wins.

As I recall, I don't think Felix Sturm ever intended to come back to the US after the W he was taken away against DLH.

I'm sure that Kotelnik still has a sour taste in his mouth about the decision he lost against Alexander.

I remember Herman Ngoudjo, a Canadian based fighter, that was rocking Paulie Malignaggi every 3rd rounds but the judges almost helped Paulie sweep the score cards.

We could go on like that....

Close calls or bad decisions happen everywhere and the USA ain't spared either.

What I hate the most is the lack of respect that is shown in such circumstances, when it's not warranted. Anyways, if it was only for Hopkins' HUGE EGO, he never would have given a single round to any other fighter his entire career, except Jones....

To end this, know that I thought Jean Pascal was gonna convincingly beat Hopkins but I also thought that Dawson would convincingly beat him and as soon as Pascal beat Dawson, I also said that Dawson would take the rematch.

What I mainly agree with you is about the fact that Jean, albeit displaying decent athleticism, is somewhat limited with the tools at his disposal in a ring + he always had ordinary stamina to complicate that aspect even more...

:thumbsup

 

All I have to say about this fight is that if it happened in New York, Vegas, LA, or Atlantic City. Hopkins is currently celebrating becoming the oldest world champion ever. He won more rounds and beat the **** out of Pascal, who is terrified of an immediate rematch.

 

Have you watched any of Hops' recent fights?

He always gets hit 'in the back of the head.

He turns his head as he's getting hit and most refs don't buy that any more.


Did you miss his shennigans agains Roy recently ?

It's part of his schtick.

Besides, the punch landed above and behind the ear.

Legitimate KD.

 

He's got a contractual situation. I bet he is hardly 'terrified';maybe apprehensive.

 

...shocker eh?


props to b-hop...props to jim gray.

 

Pascal: "Well I'll give him a rematch anytime"

Grey: "So the next time you fight"

Pascal: "Uh Uh, I need to talk to my promoter"

Grey: "But you said anytime"

Pascal: "I'm a soldier..."

 

But many people gave Pascal the first 4. If you also give him the 8th...you have an even score.
Me? I gave Jean 3 of the first 4 and the 8th. Hopkins win by a slim margin. I just don't want ya jumpin off a bridge....and don't think it warrants that rant. But, I understand, us fans are an emotional lot!
It deserves a re-watch.

 

Guess you were asleep everytime the contracted Dawson rematch is mentioned; and it has been mentioned enough!

 

I didnt even get to see the fight. And after reading this, I am now sure that Hopkins was indeed robbed.