I hate Al Haymon

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tinman, Oct 21, 2022.


Page 4 of 4
  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,121
    May 29, 2007
    I admit the guys I am rooting. I like Crawford but I have to conclude he is difficult to deal with. Bob Arum said but I thought perhaps he was being salty now PBC have found it difficult to deal with him.
     
    African Cobra, Oct 21, 2022
    African Cobra, Oct 21, 2022
    #46
  2. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,613
    3,076
    Aug 26, 2020
    Boxing is in the worst shape it's ever been. Boxing has been sh*****g all over it's fans for at least the last 20 yrs. or so. What has this Haymon guy done to make boxing better for fans?
     
    Levook, Oct 21, 2022
    Levook, Oct 21, 2022
    #47
    Jackman65 likes this.
  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,121
    May 29, 2007
    Anyone who pays boxers more money is great for boxing. Simple enough concept.
     
    African Cobra, Oct 21, 2022
    African Cobra, Oct 21, 2022
    #48
  4. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,613
    3,076
    Aug 26, 2020
    Well, how is it great for fans? That was my question. And how is boxing getting better?
     
    Levook, Oct 21, 2022
    Levook, Oct 21, 2022
    #49
    Jackman65 and Brighton bomber like this.
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

    31,303
    29,478
    Apr 4, 2005
    Exactly, while I am all for boxers being paid well for their services and not being ripped off which no doubt Haymon has done, it doesn't really benefit boxing as a sport for the fans if fighters don't have a big enough incentive to make the big fights because they are comfortable making good money fighting easier opposition.

    It's like when HBO guaranteed Roy Jones Jr 5 mill per fight, he went from fighting Hopkins and Toney to fighting total nobodies while you hard fighters like Benn and Collins calling him out.

    It's one thing to pay boxers well but if you then don't ensure the meaningful and significant fights get made then I can't see how it benefits the sport and grows the sport in the long term.
     
    Brighton bomber, Oct 21, 2022
    Brighton bomber, Oct 21, 2022
    #50
    DramaShow, Jackman65, Wizbit1013 and 2 others like this.
  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,121
    May 29, 2007
    I would think fans want boxers to be properly rewarded.I know I do.
     
    African Cobra, Oct 22, 2022
    African Cobra, Oct 22, 2022
    #51
  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,276
    16,883
    Mar 17, 2018
    Yes, Cult

    Don't act shocked, I am far from the first person to say this
     
    Wizbit1013, Oct 22, 2022
    Wizbit1013, Oct 22, 2022
    #52
    Jackman65 likes this.
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,311
    26,475
    Jun 26, 2009
    Don King and Bob Arum were good for boxing fans but not so much for boxers.

    Haymon created a new model (he ‘advises’ fighters and they pay promoters a reasonable but small fee but those promoters don’t walk away with all the money while the boxers get breadcrumbs like happened with King and Arum) — he’s good for boxers but maybe not so much for the fans.
     
    Saintpat, Oct 22, 2022
    Saintpat, Oct 22, 2022
    #53
  9. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,979
    883
    Jun 4, 2007
    Al has no idea what the hell he is doing. He cannot make big fights. He just cannot get it done even when they're in house. Don King a million times better than him.
     
    Sheikh, Oct 23, 2022
    Sheikh, Oct 23, 2022
    #54
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,958
    48,015
    Mar 21, 2007
    A lot of what you say has merit, but this is just not true. I've had to say so a few times down the years here.

    The UFC model works a bit better at forcing the best to fight the best when UFC is very strong and the rest are very weak. It was an abject disaster for the sport in terms of making the best fight the best when Fedor ruled the world. Everyone knew he was the best but UFC hoarded its fighters and made the matches impossible. Patricio, Lima, Aoki, it's a long list of fighters. UFC is a closed shop promotion of the worst possible kind that directly prevents the best from fighting the best.
     
    McGrain, Oct 23, 2022
    McGrain, Oct 23, 2022
    #55
  11. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,622
    11,800
    Jul 1, 2010
    That's why a points system would work better, it would still let the best fight the best and no one could say a fighter was undeserving of the shot.

    No politics

    (in an ideal world...)
     
    UniversalPart, Oct 23, 2022
    UniversalPart, Oct 23, 2022
    #56
Page 4 of 4