I Thought Ali Won The F.o.t.c.

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    Most rds were close except fraziers big rds, 11 & 15 & the way I separated the fighters was to judge who was landing the more punches & that was Ali.

    Just because joe was smiling & walking through about 6 or 7 Ali head shots then landing 2 or 3 body shots doesnt mean he`s winning the fight... bravado doesnt score points & that judge who gave Ali just 4 rds should be given the type of beating that would be dished out to bin laden in the streets of new york... or even worse.... the beating Ali gave frazier march 71.

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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    & here you are, this is the key. The way you do it...for me, if Ali had been given that decision, Frazier would have been robbed. As it was, Frazier won a close decision.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Why did I get the share of everybody else combined though?
     
  4. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    God/jesus/allah/evolution was very ungracious to you when doling out the quotas janitor...:hey
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's between you and your priest my friend.
     
  6. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier won the FOTC hands down and solidified the win with the knockdown in the fifteenth round. This fight arguably changed the scope of how fights are scored. Ali landed more punches than Frazier that night, but Frazier landed more power punches than Ali overall. It really depends on what the judges favour in terms of punches landed. Ali landed plenty of jabs and crosses that were much lighter shots compared to Frazier's punches. Only once did I remember Frazier moving backwards in round 7 or 8, mocking Ali with his head movement and making him miss. Frazier's aggression was effective that night which counted in the scoring. People forget that Ali did most of the clinching in the FOTC and that counts against him in the scoring.

    In the second fight, Ali landed more punches backing up again and I think the judges this time gave him the decision because Frazier landed less punches even though his were again the heavier punches. I will say that Frazier's aggression in the second fight was not as effective as the first fight because Ali was up on his toes boxing more. The bad thing about the second fight is that Ali's punches seemed lighter in the second fight and looked liked he was trying just to win the rounds by throwing more punches. Perez let him pull Frazier behind the head repeatedly without warning and that's where some of the controversy still remains from the second fight. Who knows if Ali would have had Frazier down in the second round if Perez didn't mistakingly hear the bell. Still, this fight could have gone either way and a draw would seem the more reasonable decision. Ali's legacy would certainly be tarnished if he had lossed two in a row to Frazier.
     
  7. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  8. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Man...this trash talk is weak.:D
     
  9. Smokin'Moe420

    Smokin'Moe420 Fighting, ****ing Machine Full Member

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    the first Ali-Frazier fight is by far my favorite and I watch it at least a couple times a month

    at the MOST ali won 6 rds
    FRazier dominated the other 9
     
  10. Thread Stealer

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    Frazier CLEARLY won the F.O.T.C.
     
  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    People need to learn how to score a fight...they need to offer a class...so that this type of post does not occur in the future!
     
  12. Sonny's jab

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    Come on, let's be serious folks, if Ali had been given the decision that night it would be rembered now has "The Robbery Of The Century".

    I thought Ali won 6 rounds AT THE MOST.
    In fact I scored it 9-4-2 for Frazier, but I'll say 9-6 out of sheer generosity.
    I could just as easily give the even ones to Frazier for an 11-4 score, but why be so unkind to Ali ?
    Ali lost. He lost, he lost, he lost, whatever way you look at it.
     
  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed.

    Watching the fight for the first time, it wasn't as close as I had expected.

    No doubt it was competitive, but Frazier was doing too much good work and being effectively aggressive. If Frazier didn't get the decision, it would've been an absolutely terrible robbery.
     
  14. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Ali knew he lost. He left the ring before the decision was announced.

    That said, i thought it was pretty close. Ali landed a shitload of jabs and right hands. Even if they don't back Frazier up, they are landing and scoring points.
     
  15. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    Don't feel bad.There was a sportscaster named Art Rust Jr. who felt the same way.