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Leon said: ↑

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Fellow Filipino boxer that recently lost to Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. via body shot ko. This fight would have been his big break.

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He never said he was seriously hurt, and he never was. There was never a moment when he was completely frozen, unable to do anything but cover up or hold on. While the body shot did hurt him, it didn't hurt him THAT much. Pac was being overly kind.

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Gander Tasco said: ↑

he took a sledgehammer straight to the liver. That would have dropped most guys. Plus he was 20lb's lighter then the other dude.
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The diehard *******s won't concede to this, it makes their hero look vulnerable. They know more about what happened in that round than Pac himself.

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he was hurt no doubt, but that body shot he took would have KOd other fighters, given he was taking punches from a Guy 17lbs Bigger than him

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madkillaz692000 said: ↑

"In the sixth round, he got me with a good shot, a body shot. It was really painful. I'm lucky to survive that round." -Pac

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Yes, he was. The shot is not hard to spot. I saw it live. Pac actually buckled and I thought for a split second he was going down. That was a vicious shot.

While Pac still won the round, had Margarito not been slowed and hurt from taking a body blow earlier, and if he had enough energy then, he could have really hurt Pacman.

I doubt we'll see Pac moving up and fighting bigger guys. That blow HURT him.

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Pac just stayed away from the ropes after that shot, so fast!

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chimba said: ↑

Yeah he was very lucky, that would have tilted the decision to MArgo. Whew! what a close fight!
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A close fight indeed but not in the sense that the judges scored the fight. Here's a nice but long aricle I found in Pacland.

Pacquiao-Margarito: What We Can Learn From The Humility, Empathy, and Grace of Manny Pacquiao
Posted by michaeldsellers on November 14th, 2010

Another Pacquiao fight another drubbing of a much larger opponent, and Pacquaios legend as a boxer grows. But the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito produced not just a memorable pay-per-view experience worth every penny of the $64.95 it cost it produced, for this observer at least, some moments of clarity that helped me better understand what makes the Filipino National Fist so much more than just a great athlete.

The True Tale of How the Fight Unfolded, and How Pacquaio Had to Fight Through Early Adversity to Gain Control
First, if you didnt see the fight but have read about it, you probably have read that Pacquiao dominated; that he won every round or almost every round; that he cut Margarito to shreds so much so that everyone, including Pacquaio, had legitimate concerns about Margaritos health and whether the fight should continuing the later rounds. That rendition of the fight is accurate up to a point but it fails to capture the genuine peril that Pacquaio faced in the early rounds, the genuine threat that Margarito represented, and thus the challenge that Pacquiao overcame to prevail against Margaritoa fighter who was in the best shape of his life and weighed 165 to Pacquiaos 148 on fight nightan advantage of not just 17 lbs but 12% of of body weighta Goliath to Pacquiaos David and a disgraced Mexican warrior on an epic quest for redemption Could Margarito have been more prepared or more motivated? I dont see how. Thats what Pacquiao was up against.

Think it was easy for Pacquiao? Think again. As the fight began, Emmanuel Steward, hall of fame trainer and normally shrewd commentator for HBO said: I see the size difference its a big factor right now. I see hes not used to punching at a man as big as this one who seems to be absorbing his blows pretty easily. Then there was Margaritos jab a new weapon that was touching Pacquiao up in the first round. Steward: What Im surprised about is Margaritos jab, which is a very good move, and that seems at this stage to be the most dominant punch in the fight. A few moments later, with a minute to go in the first round, Steward said of Pacquaio: He may have a problem tonight the physical size seems to be a big factor. By the time the first round ended Pacquiao had thrown enough punches to win the round but just barely, and the sense was that he could be in trouble, that he finally might have bitten off more than he could chew. The jab was a problem, the size difference was a problem, and Margaritoa notoriously slow startermight get stronger as the fight wore on.

In the early part of the second round Max Kellerman another normally astute boxing analyst and commentator, had this to say: Margarito has landed not only some shots but a head butt followed by a right hand these are hard shots from a big man. This prompted Steward to repeat: The size is being a big factor as I see it right here. Then, after Pacquiao mounted a flurry that didnt seem to hurt Margarito, Jim Lampley said: The loss of power from punching up could be a factor in the fight meaning that Margaritos height advantage was causing Pacquiao to punch skyward and this was taking power out of the punches. Then with 10 seconds to go in round 2, Steward said: Looking at the eyes, Pacquiao is much more uncomfortable than Margarito is at this stage even though he may be winning the fight. Lampley: Brand new experience for Pacquiao.

Easy fight?

And that was how it felt after the first two rounds. But as he has so often in the past, Pacquiao guided by the man he calls his master Freddie Roach gradually began to solve the Margarito puzzle and find ways to use his astonishing hand speed, footwork, head movement, and ring savvy to start slicing his opponent, most notably opening a cut under Margaritos right eye that almost immediately began to swell, causing the eye to almost close. [[Comment: Margarito went straight to the hospital after the fight and it was determined is orbital bone was broken.]] From there Manny gained the upper hand but even after the cut had begun a problem, there were some nerve wracking moments, notably in the 6th round when Margarito got Pacquaio against the ropes and hit him with a huge left to the liver that buckled Pacquiaos knees. Later, and more than once, he rocked Manny with uppercuts, most notably one in the 8th round that clearly hurt.
Yet in spite of being hurt more than once, Pacquaio dominated; he repeatedly landed power punches that soon had Margartos entire face swollen and bleeding and yet Margarito to his credit as a warrior if not a sensible human refused to go down and refused to stop.
By the 10th round there was ample reason to stop the fightand Pacquaio glanced at the referee more than once as if to ask, Shouldnt you end this?, and his look was one of concern, not bravado and dismissiveness. Steward at that point commented that while the referee had every reason to stop the fighthe wouldnt because Margarito was still demonstrating his grit by throwing punches even though he could hardly see and his punches no longer had snap or power to them. To which Kellerman said, rightly: Its not about his eyes, its about his brain how many power punches flush to the head can a man take? And indeed, by the end, the compu-box figures that Pacquaio had landed a disturbing 401 power punches to Margaritos head and who knows when the damage from that kind of beating will present itself.

Margarito on his stool between the 11th and 12th rounds looked more like Rocky Balboa in the original Rocky than any real fight most of us have ever seen both eyes almost swollen shut, punch drunk, but demanding that he be allowed to continue, to finish it. All that was missing was Margarito yelling cut me to make it a complete reprise of Hollywoods epic and amped up vision of the outclassed warrior willing to risk everything to go the distance. There he was, insisting through his mangled features that he wanted to fight one more round, to make it to the end, and his corner let him do ita decision that honored Margaritos epic courage but placed him in epic danger.

And then it was the 12th round, with Margarito out on his feet and all but defenseless, game but beaten. There was every reason to believe that Pacquaio, hungry for the KO that would put the exclamation point on his performance, would swarm Margarito and either drop him at last, or mount a swarming, blistering final assault that would leave the referee with no choice but to stop it.

But that didnt happen.

Grace in the 12th Round
The first sign that something special was about to happen came during the traditional touching of gloves before the last round. Pacquiao touched them up, but went a step further giving a deep nod to Margarito a salute and then, as if to make sure the salute was understood, he touched his right glove one more time to Margaritos stepped back, crossed himself, and began to fight but not quite. For the first 30 seconds of the round Pacquiao, who had been throwing power punches at a rate of one every five seconds of the entire fight, threw only two tentative punches that wouldnt have hurt a fly, circling Margarito instead of engaging with him. Pacquiao threw his third punch an inconsequential jab, 40 seconds into the round thus three inconsequential punches 1/4 of the way through the final round, when by simple average punch count Pacquaio would by then have normally thrown at least 25 punches. Something was up.At 45 seconds into the round, Lampley was the first commentator to realize what was happening and comment on it: Max, I honestly wonder whether Pacquiao has no more stomach for the punishment. He doesnt seem eager to hit Margarito any more. Kellerman: It looks like hes carrying Margarito right now. Steward: Its much like Joe Calzaghe did Lampley: Some of the greatest fighters in history have done this. There is no question Pacquiao is pulling his punches now. He is not following through and committing the way he doesits a nod to Margaritos guts and courageand Pacquaio is going to let him finish the fight. And then Lampley capped it off no doubt with some hyperbole but then Pacquiao invites, and deserves, hyperbole: This is not Manny Pacquaio the fighter, this is Manny Pacquiao the Congressman, Manny Pacquiao the cultural icon, Manny Pacquiao the citizen of the world. Thats the man whos letting Margarito finish.

Humility, Empathy, and Candor in the Post Fight Interviews
As the fight ended Pacquaio knelt in his corner in prayer as is his custom. Ive watched Pacquiao do this and each time Im struck by his body language as he prays the intensity with which he clutches his gloves to his head, blocking out the crowd, the arena, the chaos around him creating what clearly must be a profound moment of heartfelt religious communion. And then, moments later as the championship belt was draped over his shoulders, a smiling Pacquiao immediately looked around for his crucifix found it dangling from the hand of a handler, then immediately leaned forward, head bowed, placing it around his neck.

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And then a gracious and amazingly (yet typically) humble post fight interview with Max Kellerman who started by saying: Manny, that was a pretty big guy you just beat up what was that like? Pacquiao: Its hard, I really I mean .I did my best to win the fight.hes strong.a very tough fighter. And I cant believe it. Kellerman: What cant you believe? Pacquiao: I mean, hes very tough and strong and I never expect that. Who ever heard a boxer be so candid and so humble after such a victory? What other boxers ego would allow such statements? Then Kellerman drilled down a bit, noting that Pacquiao had gotten his back to the ropes and had a few tough moments in the fight, ending it with Why was your back on the ropes. Pacquiao: Well, Im trying to psyche him that Im not hurt, but the truth is hes really strong and I got hurt. Full stop again, when did a winning boxer ever admit so openly to getting hurt? Kellerman: When did you get hurt? Pacquiao: When I stayed on the rope. Kellerman: Where did you get hurt? Pacquiao: In the body and in the face. He got me in the uppercut, so I am so lucky tonight. And later, in his second interview: I tell you the truth. I got hurt in the body shot, I tell you, I got ..I felt so weak in that round because I got really hurt in my stomach. [[Comment: Two days later, on Monday, there were media reports that Pacquiao had canceled a TMZ appearance due to rib and torso pain--and watching the replay of the shot in question, it was apparent that the blow almost dropped Pacquiao to the canvas, and that he struggled mightily to regain weather the storm it caused.]] Kellerman then asked what were you asking the referee to do when you looked toward him in the 11th round (presumably imploring him to stop the fight). Pacquiao: You know, I feel.pity to my opponenthis eyes, his bloody face, you know take a look for that. Later, in another interview, Pacquiao was more direct: Boxing is not about killing each other. Its about entertainment. Kellerman: In the 12th round it looked like maybe you were backing off, maybe not to hurt him: Im not looking for a knockout. I want to finish the round. My trainer said take it easy, win the round, just be careful. Now this is interesting because on the surface it sounds like Manny was just following Roachs instructionsand indeed I have no doubt that Roach gave the instructions Manny describes. But I think there is something else going on here he didnt want to dis his opponent by saying that he intentionally let up. Instead, he just left it that his corner told him to win the round and be careful. But everything from the salute to Margarito at the beginning to Mannys demeanor throughout the round confirms that he was, indeed, carrying Margarito to the finish line, giving the warrior his due in the process. The interview finished with Pacquiao saying: Thats all I can give. Im trying to make people happy. For a boxer to say I want to make people happy seems overly simplistic on one level but when you think of where Pacquiao comes from not just the Philippines, but the mean streets of the Philippines, a place of grinding poverty where there is no escape and where hope is often all but extinguished the power to make people happy is a power that means more than producing a transitory moment of enjoyment. Its an ability to fundamentally alter that state of mind and heart for people to lift them up and make them feel that theres hope, and good things are possible in a tough unfriendly world. For Manny Pacquiao, to make people happy is something far more profound and meaningful than it would be if the same statement were coming from an American boxer. Asked about his next moves, Pacquaio replied: Thats why . I have another job after this, Im going back to the Philippines and do my job as a public servant and I want to help people. Honestly much of the time when Pacquiao speaks English you have the feeling that hes groping for words, that he could be much more articulate in Tagalog and yet there is a simple clarity to his choice of words do my job as a public servant and I want to help people. How can you not believe he is sincere and humble. Hes not just a public servant hes a congressman, and rightly proud of that. But he always chooses to refer to himself by the term public servant, not Congressman. There is genuine humilityand perhaps a touch of political genius in that. The Last Word Those of us who are connected to the Philippines have followed Manny Pacquiao for many years and weve heard him say things like this, and act in this humble, gentle manner so this in itself is not news for us. But as his fame grows and the rest of the world gradually wakes up and takes notice of Pacquaio as a sporstman who transcends national boundaries and the niche of boxing, hearing him speak this way reminds us that while on the one hand what we see in Manny is unique, in another way it is not, because what is on display when Pacquiao speaks is essential Filipino values that typify the elusive best of a country whose peoples humble and gentle virtues are not particularly well understood abroad. This is, after all, a world where, for example, some cultures have adopted the term filipina to be slang for housekeeper. The truth is, its easy for ignorant westerners to underestimate and misinterpret the gentle, gracious nature of the Filipino character yet somehow Manny Pacquaio is singlehandedly changing that, teaching the world and reminding the Philippine universe that humility, grace, compassion, and empathy can coexist with the heart of a warrior. Yet even if Filipinos instinctively understand the meaning of Manny Pacquiao better than we foreigners they have been traveling on a learning curve with Pacquaio as well. Remember that Pacquaios popularity in the Philippines, great as it is, did not automatically win him a berth in Congress. He ran previously, two years ago and lost badly. Some said the loss reflected what was in essence a cynical no vote from an electorate who wanted him to keep fighting; others inerpreted the no as a desire keep Pacquiao from becoming tarnished by the dirty nature of Philippine politics. Pacquao lost, and it wasnt a split decision it was much closer to a political knockout. But he didnt give up, he showed patience and sincerity and above all perserverence, and throughout it all he continued to talk compellingly about his real reasons for doing it and along the way many of the skeptics who saw in his first run for Congress a questionable act of celebrity ego began to gradually come to understand that it was another impulse, the impulse toward genuine and sincere public service, that was driving Pacquiao. And so now he has the position he sought the position of public servant, and he has stated that his goal is to become a champion of public service as his life transitions toward a new phase. Boxing has been his vehicle to make people happy in one profound, let me lift you up way that Filipinos perhaps understand better than the rest of us. That phase will end. But now, today, he is an elected Congressman who through both his boxing and public service has truly has made millions of people happy in that transcendant way he seeksso truly and so beautifully that the skinny kid who grew up on the streets may well someday have the opportunity to lead not just an impoverished Sarangani province, but an entire resurgent nation that with Pacquaio as example-maker-in-chiefa long-suffering and self doubting country that under his inspired leadershp may lift itself up as a country in ways that would be just as surprising, yet just as inevitable, as Pacquaios rise to the top in boxing. I for one believe in Manny Pacquiaohis heart, his sincerity, the sheer power of his will, and the true Filipino essence of his character. He makes me feel hope for the future of the Philippines, and proud to be part of a Fil-Am household that has plenty of Filipino blood flowing through our familys veins.
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Leon said: ↑

I believe him. emmanuel has always been susceptible to bodyshots throughout his entire career. Just review the fights he lost or had major trouble in.
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Why? Cause when he was 20 he got knocked out by one? You don't know ****.

That body shot would have dropped any man around that weight class... Manny took it like a man and rebounded fast... and in the very next round seemed to barely even been slowed down by it. You haven't boxed before , it's apparent. I have been hit by body shots on that part of my body, by guys who can't punch 1/10th of as hard as Margarito, and they hurt unbelievably bad. If you thought he was susceptible to body shots before , that round should have proven to you that he isn't at all. Mayweather won't be able to stop Pacquiao , he won't be able to hurt him with bodyshots or headshots,... this is why Mayweather will lose, this is why he won't fight Pac.

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Mexican love to target tha bread este rice basket 99.9 pct of them. It was no secret Margo was going there and he hurt Manny fo sure he was definitely in pain watch the arm drop.

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Pac has a really good poker face in the ring.

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Why? Cause when he was 20 he got knocked out by one? You don't know ****.
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Learn to read. Him getting knocked out twice weren't the only fights he lost. Look at the first Morales fight, idiot.

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Leon said: ↑

Learn to read. Him getting knocked out twice weren't the only fights he lost. Look at the first Morales fight, idiot.
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He fought Morales using ridiculously big 10oz gloves for 130lbers, the Pac that lost that fight is NOT the same Pac we have seen over the past few years. He has continued to improve and get better. Morales even begun to get beat up by pac toward the end of their first fight. THere were no body shots that hurt pac in the first Morales fight either , don't know where you are getting this from...

He demolished probably the best 3 body punching guys from 140-147 (hatton,Cotto,Marg)

I don't think his body is susceptible

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McManama said: ↑

He fought Morales using ridiculously big 10oz gloves for 130lbers, the Pac that lost that fight is NOT the same Pac we have seen over the past few years. He has continued to improve and get better. Morales even begun to get beat up by pac toward the end of their first fight.
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Morales landed good bodyshots in the first fight during the 2nd or 3rd rounds, and they made emmanuel lose the steam behind his punches in the middle rounds. Marquez made sure to counter with bodyshots here and there. emmanuel just admit that marg's bodyshot was the one that actually hurt him. The body is an important target on emmanuel for whoever is going to beat him!

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