Ibeabuchi's Use of PEDs

I still don’t understand what you’re getting at but I’ll try to answer nonetheless. It is not extremely unusual for a dedicated high school athlete to put on 20-30lbs of muscle mass during his adolescent years. It can be very beneficial. I’m not sure what you mean by natural or artificial in this context.

 

You can believe what you want to believe. Both became HW champions so clearly they dont need a refund. Yes Larry holmes used steroids. He clearly didnt have genetics for bodybuilding, but when a guy who doesnt lift weights is well over 200 pounds lean and looks like "he has a pump"(which means he looks like his arms shoulders and chest are pumped up from lifting) he is probably on steroids. Especially when he doesnt seem to have any bodybuildin talent like larry holmes. Thats my opinion as someone who works out and has seen dozens and dozens of people before and after they took steroids. When you see it happen so many times you begin to recognize the look, even in someone who isnt a bodybuilder or weightlifter.

Lance armstrong took steroids and he had less muscle than them

 

Then please show me a photo of Holmes and Frazier before they took steroids and after they took steroids.

 

I cant help you with that. All i can tell you that if you dont think that top athletes who's income is very dependent on their performance, dont use Performance Enhancing Drugs, then youre naive. PEDs where available back then, testing was minimal to nonexistant and they were using them because they worked

 

Well he never lifted weights and thus he never was bigger than 220 lbs... My guess is that he may be even better fighter with that

 

Strength was a very important part of Tyson's game, why would they risk drug testing if he could be strong with lifting weights 2-3 times per week?

 

I don't have any doubt top athletes are using PEDs. The question is when it began in the heavyweight class.

You said you can tell Frazier and Holmes were PED users because you see the before and after changes. But you can't produce any photos of Before and After.

You seem to ignore the fact that guys can get pretty significant arm and chest muscles doing tens of thousands of pushups and throwing tens of thousands of punches year after year.

Holmes was a solidly built athlete before he won the title from Norton. He looked physically worse nearly every year after. Frazier was a fat guy who lost weight by training to box. You can watch that video of him trying to lift a barbell and tell he had no weight training in his life.

Holmes and Frazier didn't do any weight training. Neither did Ali. Frazier, in fact, looked like he'd never seen a weight in his life when he competed in that Superstars competition. And that was after he'd already lost the title a few months earlier.

 

I get the feeling a lot of people credit Mackie Shilstone for "modernizing" boxing training while, with a straight face, denouncing the use and presence of PED's before the 90's.

Take a look at the dudes rep in other sports and some of the other names he's worked with, and it's not too hard to see what some of that "modernization" entails.

 

Tyson has admitted to mugging old ladies, use of illegal drugs (including fighting under the influence), having STDs, and a host of other unpleasant hobbies ... what exactly would keep him from admitting he was given steroids as a teen? Shame? And don't tell me he wouldn't have known - despite any perceptions, he's remarkably smart.

And having a great build, i.e. Ken Norton, doesn't automatically equate to steroid use. Whether we like it or not, there are just some genetic freaks out there who win the toss of the genetic coin and look great. Norton said if could change one thing about his boxing career, he would have lifted weights - in other words, that build came from training hard as an athlete and having the right Mom and Dad.

 

Isn't it known that Morrison took PEDs for the Mercer fight, and paid heavily for the effects it had on him?
Was that like a different class of PEDs or something?

I don't know much about the subject.
What I remember is in the locker room of my gym, there was a home made poster that discouraged against using that stuff.

 

There was use of PEDs in boxing in the 70s and 80s. Hell, Bob Hazelton used steroids going back to the early 70s. Ammonia capsules or smelling salts were PEDs because they revived you when your head was in the clouds. Painkillers are PEDs and they were and still are used. Leon Spinks tore a muscle in his ribcage before the first Ali fight and had injections in his side before the fight. Ali never threw body shots, but if he had, it doubtful Spinks ever would've felt it.

When the "champs" started using steroids and other PEDs to increase power or endurance, however, is another matter. Hazelton was a nobody.

Ken Norton came out of California when the body-building craze (and steroids) were exploding on the west coast. I wouldn't doubt he was among the first top heavyweights to do it, or one of the first to use steroids to help him become a top heavyweight. He played football in high school and college. That was a growing part of the culture at that time.

Ali and Frazier and Holmes and those guys didn't play football. They were boxers. They trained as boxers. They were in the amateur boxing program. Weight lifting played no role at that time. And they didn't use weights when they trained as pros. Their bodies aged as mens' bodies age.

Just saying some fighter had "muscular arms" in his 20s or 30s so he used steroids is laughable.

 

Morrison admitted during one of his radio interviews when he was near the end that he took steroids all throughout his professional boxing career.

They kind of took off in the 90s. Vinny Pazienza was another one who admitted he used them - beginning when he was hanging out with that steroid monster with the pony tail before his third fight with Greg Haugen.

 

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Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Liston or Ali or Duran dabbled.

 

His abnormal stamina/workrate for his size more so than the physique alone was the real give away. I suspect at the very least he was blood doping, maybe even the same stuff Lance Armstrong and all the cyclists were on.