Idiot writer on Atlas

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  1. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok, fair enough, thats what I originally thought. He was also trainer of the year in 94 for his unforgetable job in the corner for Moorer, when he fought Holyfield for the belt.
     
  2. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He trained La Londe in middle of La Londe's career, and got him nowhere.
    He took over Simon Brown AFTER Brown had won welter title under his trainer Pepe Correa. Brown fired Atlas after 2 fights, and tried to get Correa back.
    Mc Guigan wa schamp when Atlas sent his people a VIDEO of a few strategy's to try in Pedroza fught, He worked UNDER McGuigan's trainer for one fight.


    AS for Tyson, anyone who say's Atlas was his trainer is hopeless.

    Scott, you-don't know-****. The rest of you don't know much either.

    Joey Gamache?? He took hi over for afight or two, when Gamache was no longer holding title. Like I said, you don' tknow much, do you?:?
     
  3. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Explain the Everlast article--who made the mistake (or constructed lie) about Atlas inventing that numbered punching system? D'amato used it since 1950's, and Atlas got it from him. You going to say I'm wrong?
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Teddy Atlas is quite possibly the most overrated trainer in the history of the sport, thanks to shows like HBO's legendary nights and people watching that rather than the fight in full, paying attention to what Atlas fighters actually did with and without him, and the passion they showed in fights with and without this alleged "master motivator".

    Aaron "Put the Condom on Mike Tyson's Eye" Snowell did more as a pro trainer than Teddy Atlas, and Kevin Rooney.'

    He actually had success with several fighters, unlike those two overrated traiers.
     
  5. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The guys had enough, you just knocked him out cold with the facts, there's no need to drop kick him while he's down.
     
  6. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, I did not mean for it to get personal. I did not know he posted on here. Me and him are still going to disagre on this, but I posted to point out Atlas was overated bullshitter. I should not have calle dhim idiot on topic though. (Now watch, as soon as I post this, I'll see him or his friend said something that pisses me off) :lol:
     
  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl :lol: True, thats happend to me before. The guy probably takes his job real serious and is a little embarrassed about writing something that someone with some boxing knowledge might shake there head at, plus the fact that Atlas probably made a few things up just to make himself sound better in the paper, just like in his most recent book.
     
  8. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the guy in your avatar would have been better off if he started his career with a trainer who did not spend most of is time trying to brainwash fighters into thinking they were "mentally weak" or trying to make them get rid of their friends. As soon as Briggs lost one fight, Atlas bailed on him. Briggs had a lot of friends around him, including a guy who had grown up with him. Atlas was not making money back then, so he gave situation more leeway than he usually would.

    I can imagine:

    1947, Rocky Marciano getting told by Atlas "You're mentally weak, you have this guy Allie Columbo with you, send him back to Brockton, or you'll never get anywhere. You keep him around, it will show you are weak, and I won't train you."
    1947, one day later: Marciano changes trainers.
    1952: Atlas to anyone who will listen: "I trained Marciano, taught him most of what he knows, helped him grow, but because of disipline issues, and my integrity...."

    If anyone here knows Atlas, they will be nodding their heads.
     
  9. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ok, i sent you a pm yesterday saying I was sorry about idiot remark, and not wanting it to get personal. Now you want to be an *******.

    What you just posted shows me right--*******.
    The Everlast article--which was talked about and viewed by people here week or two ago--stated that as a young amateur Atlas would put a matress up aainst wall, wrote numbers on it, and punched at numbers, which to me and anyone else means he invented it. You just proved self wrong, and gave evidence against yourself--and still think you're right.:rofl
     
  10. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So tell us, in 1968, when Teddy landed on moon and planted that flag for the United States, was it as fulfilling as when he signed Declaration of Independance?
     
  11. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    I think the problem is the question of what criteria you may have used to define "champion," and the fact that the term has become SO misused in the sport, something you are hardly the only person to do this. The term "champion" should only be reserved for unified or linear titlelists. The rest of are merely beltholders, of varying degrees of legitimacy. Surely you would not argue that holding some rinky-dink regional belt, or some "world" trinket automatically makes someone a true "champion??" I certainly don't think most boxing fans would!
     
  12. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree Zakman. My point was article said they were crowned with Atlas in their corner. Also, in boxing, many times a trainer will fill in for a fighter's main trainer when main trainer is unavailable. In small bouts is what I mean. So for example, when Bowe's trainer, Eddie Futch, was unavailable once, and an easy fight was coming up, Atlas filled in at gym, and worked Bowe's corner. This was due to Rock Newman (sp?) Bowe's manger, being friendly with Atlas at the time. Atlas pissed off Bowe, Bowe's friends, and everyone else during this time, and I think anyone would agree it was Futch who made him champ, not Atlas.

    I can't think of 3 guys besdies Moorer who were crowned any sort of major belt holder when Atlas was in their corner. I thought that was misleading. It's like someone saying they played in World Series of Baseball, then you find out they were on a team in Little League World Series, and team was eliminated in early rounds. Person says they were right, not lying or misleading. What's the call on something like that? To me it seems obvious.
     
  13. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never said you wrote it dickhead. You defended it, so I asked if it was your writing. And quit the spamming.

    Oh, by the way, at least i know Atlas did not stand in a corner as 17 champs he trained were crowned. At least i don't writ elike a weasel, and lok to wiggle out of my own bull****. You could have owned up to your mistake, instead you tried playing smug. And again, cut out the spam.
     
  14. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Welcome to the site. I give you credit for at least responding to the complaints. It would have been easy to just not have bothered trying to answer the questions surrounding Atlas.

    I will say this though for future reference. When it comes to Atlas there is a lot of controversy about some of the claims about his accomplishments. And Atlas has not exactly set the story straight on many of them. Personally I find Atlas to be a self promoting windbag that tries to make himself out to be the consumate expert on boxing. He's a terrible announcer that spends way too much time talking about his supposed expertise on boxing and not callling the action that takes place right in front him. I wish I had a dollar for every punch he failed to call.
     
  15. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    DROpping the book on him LOL this **** is funny. :yep :yep :yep