IF Crawford becomes undisputed at 154 where does he rank?

I didn't accuse you of trolling man, I'm sure you have your reasons, it's just a very niche viewpoint to have Floyd above Pacquiao.

 

Whilst not in RJJ territory as to fighters faced imo It’d be very hard to over look any fighter no matter what the usual mythical or H2H match ups get conjured up on here, if Crawford was to go legit three weight Undisputed Champion in this era that is some accomplishment !

 

Lol yes it’s a niche viewpoint to think h2h the guy who schooled Pacquiao 10-2 is rated above.

 

I think he has a potential to become undisputed at 154 and then KO Canelo, that way he can become best boxer of this century for me.

 

It is?

Floyd beat Manny. I'm not saying Floyd didn't fight Manny at the right time and intentionally stall that fight for years. But having Floyd higher is "very niche"?

 

Ahhh so you'd only consider Floyd a better fighter but not a greater fighter.

That's a bit more understandable even if still a minority view.

Fair enough.

 

Floyd school Pacquiao and Marquez knocked out Pacquiao because both had better fundamentals.

 

Yeah it did take Marquez knocking out Pacquiao for Floyd to agree to fight him.

I'd be surprised if Crawford overtakes Pacquiao, but he'll probably overtake Floyd.

 

Never.

 

The point is Crawford has never came close to beating a great fighter.

And whilst some fighters can be classed as great without beating great fighter aka Larry Holmes.

I still think Crawford needs to beat more notable names before I start comparing his resume with the likes of RJJ.

Yes being Lineal champion in multiple weightclasses is a great achievement but let's have some context here....

Crawford become Lineal champion at Lightweight beating Ricky Burns who is solid at best.

Crawford become Lineal Jr Welterweight champion which was vacant at the time beating Viktor Postol. So Crawford didn't officially beat the man to earn the Lineal championship. And whilst Postol is a good win it's not exactly setting the world alight either.

And finally Crawford become Lineal Welterweight champion by beating Errol Spence Jr which is his best win by far. But also some context is needed Spence had been in two car crashes one which was horrific. Spence had also only fought twice in 3 years coming into Crawford bout. Whilst that isn't Crawford's fault that Spence had those issues outside the ring still......it does take some considerable shine off the victory.

Hence why I say context is needed in regards to Crawford's Lineal achievements.

 

Jones resume isn’t anywhere near great enough to justify his status as an ATG. In fact, his resume was one of the major complaints about him as his career progressed from potential SRR / SRL phenom to calls from fans to, “Just fight someone, Roy.”
In Roy’s case, it was more so how he beat opponents, not who he beat.
Remember, the frustration and backlash of the fans was bad enough and public enough that Roy actually rapped a song about it; Y’all Must’ve Forgot. Truth be told, Roy laid the blueprint for “Money” Mayweather.

 

I love Crawford but it is so late in the game for him to be making ground on Mayweather and Pacquiao. And I do rate his opponents and feel he's deepened his resume enough that even regardless of the stars aligning in the title picture so miraculously, going undefeated to now with those results, I would still consider him a great fighter without the unifications. But there's a ceiling with those names, when you're comparing them to other great fighters. And I'm not sure what the context will seem like with those additional names, without seeing their careers play out.

As a curiosity, up till now, comparing them: If you have hardcore fans who are familiar with all of them, and you ask these fans to try to imagine either Mayweather or Pac's Cotto against Errol Spence and Shawn Porter, for instance, how many would really feel certainty that Cotto wouldn't win those fights, either version of Cotto. Even at the higher end of how high you can rationally rate Spence and Porter. Just to offer some perspective on their quality of opposition and considering the context of those wins inside a whole, legendary career for Pac and Mayweather. Not with the foundation of victories that are Postols and Gamboas, as opposed to Corraleses and Barreras, Marquezes and ODLH's. I'm not exactly jumping to pick Porter against the lesser Mosley of the Pac fight and throw a bunch of money on it. If I'm just being honest, and let alone the better Mosley of the Mayweather fight that people still would run down as a significantly depleted fighter.

 

RJJ has 3 wins over Hill, Hopkins, Toney, 2 of which are considered ATG's and one is considered great.

How many great fighters has Crawford beaten ? Better yet how many fighters has Crawford beaten that are even HOF worthy ? There's your answer.

 

Fair enough, but I wasn't even thinking about Crawford when I wrote my post; my point was that as far as ATG resumes go, Jones is overrated.
I agree that Bud’s resume is weaker than his status and PFP ranking indicates.
In that respect, he is similar to Roy in that it’s not who he fights, but how he wins. Golovkin falls into this category, as well.

 

Floyd is above Pac and most people agree, other than haters.

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