If Frazier and Marciano switched eras...

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  1. HerolGee

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    Marcianos only fairly heavy loss is ali 2, with foreman running it close. ali 1 is a toss up.
     
  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Well yeah that's what I mean about him being better suited to fight heavies than Foster was including that his power had more effect on heavyweights than Foster's did. I wonder why that is? Why can some fighters move up in weight and carry their power up with them, while other fighters lose power as they go up it seems? Moore and Moorer were two light heavies whose punching power translated well to heavy, but a guy like Bob Foster, who at light heavy was arguably the superior in punching power to Moore and Moorer couldn't carry his power up as well.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    I wish Liston had come along and hit his 6-8 years sooner. We probably would've gotten to see how Marciano would fare against Liston. How he did against Liston would probably tell us how he might have fared agains Foreman. Although, Liston wasn't the all out destroyer Foreman was. Liston a lot of times boxed and fought at a more measured pace. I think Foreman's style may have been more ideal for handling a Marciano or Frazier type of opponent.
     
  4. janitor

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    I agree, but I think that he could have done better.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    I am not sure the mob would let liston get near Rocky.
     
  6. The Kentucky Cobra

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    My take on that is that Moore simply was the superior puncher, that's why his power carried up better.

    Moore doesn't have the highlight real KOs at Light Heavy as Foster... simply because it's a matter of style, opposition, and footage availability.

    Ultimately Foster is one that I was never completely sold on the greatness of to begin with.

    And look if we are matching Frazier of Foreman II form against the Moore that faced Maricano...Frazier is losing that.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    Moore was under 6 ft, had big arms chest and legs.
    He used to shadow box with a steam iron in each hand.
    Foster was a 6 ft 3" string bean Praying Mantis he just couldn't add meaningful weight to his torso.
    Moore stopped
    King stopped 14 times
    Lavorante stopped 3 times
    Rademacher stopped 6 times
    Besmanoff stopped 11times
    Rischer stopped8 times
    Davidson stopped 5 times
    Parker stopped4 times
    Whitehurst stopped 6 times
    Baker stopped 3 times
    Lovell stopped 2times
    Moore was significantly over the 175lb s limit for virtually all these fights in fact he was the bigger man in several of them.
     
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  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Funny how you say in that other thread that you aren't disrespectful enough to call a prizefighter a bum yet you are fully comfortable calling one of the greatest light heavies ever a "string bean praying mantis".
     
  9. mcvey

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    I meant no disrespect to Foster and I was referring to his physique not his talent,he is a top 4 LHVY imo.
     
  10. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I know what you were referring to and it's still disrespectful.
     
  11. mcvey

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    You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    It's not disrespectful at all. It's actually perfectly apt. I've seen Hearns called string bean by numerous top boxing writers and praying mantis is if anything a compliment.
     
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  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Just because boxing writers say it makes it okay? Last time I checked it's not their feelings that choose whether or not it's disrespectful it's the feelings of Hearns in your instance. It's incredibly unrealistic to think that if you went up to Hearns or Foster and called them "string bean praying mantis" that they would take it as anything other than an insult. The only reason I say incredibly unrealistic is because they aren't here right now to verify for certain however it might as well be.
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's not an opinion, it's flat out fact that those are negative terms used to insult someone.

    That's like me calling David Tua a b*tch or a tub of lard then saying I wasn't being disrespectful.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    They don't need to be here. You are taking things way out of context.
     
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