IF IRON MIKE WAS UP AND COMING NOW,WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE?

Sorry Wass ,you've produced jack sh*t. Hatred can do things to one's objectivity,and it has certainly messed with your head!

 

I've produced more than you pal, I don't hate Tyson at all. Like I said I've got all his fights on tape and most of his amateur bouts, what I can't stand is the pathetic fanboys that make up every excuse imaginable for his losses. The facts are every fighter out there has problems and setbacks, that's life I'm afraid.

 

I don't like him either, I think he is an objectionable human being .The fact is he wasnt at his best against Douglas, didn't take him seriously didn't train properly,was shagging the night before , had a crap corner,and found himself in there with a focused and determined opponent who, for once in his life was prepared to lay it all on the line.
We have Douglas saying he was in top shape ,so I'm going with that he certainly looked as though he was! Any time you produce a verified quote from Douglas saying he had the problems you mentioned,I am prepared to change my opinion.

 

He wasn't at his best against the likes of Smith, Tucker, Thomas etc but he still won. Unless you were in the camp how can you say he didn't train? I know for a fact the rumour of him being grossly overweight is plain bull**** as I've seen clips of him sightseeing in Tokyo prior to the fight, he looked lean and in good condition.

I'm sure someone on here will bump into Douglas one day and hopefully they will have seen this and ask him themselves, I don't believe for one second that it's all made up.

 

Until that happens I'll beleive what Douglas has said so far.

 

Isn't the stuff about Douglas's illness covered in that book published about the fight ?

Anyway, yeah, there's a load of excuses for Tyson's loss. It's remarkable how many of them people are willing to give credence.

Then again, before all the excuses were trotted out, the original contention was that Tyson hadn't even lost the fight but had been robbed.... Ha ha .... But even the majority of the gullible masses failed to ride along with that one .... So Tyson and his hard core settled on the excuse that he had too much sex ! Brilliant. It seems to have caught the imagination of the fans, that one.

 

you do get the odd reasonable Tyson fan though, that looks at things more objectively. Do you take on board their arguments of just lump anyone who likes Tyson into the fan boy club? not having a go but it seems like one extreme to another when it comes to Tyson, too many excuses, or not giving him any credit at all?

 

As a fan of Tyson I actually take on board that Douglas could beat him at his best, but I don't agree Tyson was fully prepared for that fight. He didnt even have his long time trainer for a start, you cant deny the significance of that and a few other issues.

 

Don't you think a broken hand hindered Tucker in their bout?

 

sorry to jump on that but I don’t think so personally. Tucker landed a good shot in the first round but Tyson walked through it, he didn’t respect tucker's power which is something you need to beat Tyson. You could argue Tucker could have out boxed him but I don’t see that either, the more a "healthy" Tucker opened up the more Tyson would have found an opening with his counter. I always felt the broken hand argument was a bit of an excuse, I guess Tuckers gets a free pass though?

 

Absolute rubbish, how the hell can you say a broken hand won't hinder a fighters performance and keep a straight face.

 

I didn't say it didn't hinder him, although how much is debatable. What I am saying is it didn't make much difference in the big scheme of things. Tucker wasn't winning that fight either way. Tyson put on a controlled display that night, more offence from Tucker would have spelled trouble for him with those counters and he wasnt hurting Tyson. Tucker was better off in his shell. my view is he showed that mentally he didn't really have it, broken hand of not, he did not fight with the spirit needed to beat prime Tyson, he never did.