IF IRON MIKE WAS UP AND COMING NOW,WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE?

Its actually a decent argument. Tyson better in every department but size wins in the end. No one really knows how it would end. My opinion tho is probably violently in tysons favour. Completly different circumstances honestly believe tho joshua wouldnt be in the same ring with tyson. Not just tyson but half the guys that were called bums back then. Joshua wouldnt know what to do with them. Think the main difference is boxings a hobby nowadays. Back then it was box to survive these guys didnt have a choice. Impossible nowadays to hit them heights. Goes all the way back to marciano.

Tyson had that same hunger as your marcianos but in the 80,s/90,s no one had near that type of hunger. Took a special type of circumstance. Imo will never be repeated again. Joshuas the best but of a bad bunch...in comparison imo.

 

Joshua-Klitschko was an instant classic.

Tyson-Holmes is not a classic.

I notice very few people have actually answered the thread properly here. It's about Tyson as he was mid-1986, and what would our thoughts be if he was at that stage now. In reality most people would have question marks about him at that stage until he defeated a top 5 fighter in emphatic manner, as most people did in his own time anyway, just like any other fighter who has yet to step up. For example, AJ prior to the WK fight.

 

At 19 fights Tyson had just beat Steve Zouski, Joshua the ATG Klitschko. Who's the hype job here? Joshua at this point in his career pisses all over what Tyson achieved in the same time scale.

 

Joshua gassed and was knackered for 3-4 rounds against Klitschko who did not go for the kill, against Tyson he will not have that luxury for even 10 seconds let alone 3-4 rounds

 

The thing is tho unforgiven people knew he was on the way to the top back in 1986 before he beat the bigger names anyway. He was tipped for the top from years prior to that. Didnt exactly just turn up...he had been a top name in the amatuers...cus was also very well known in the boxing world. People tipped him for the top way before 1986. You d have to know very little about boxing not to believe he was going anywhere but the very top probably in any era. His performances kind of spoke for themselves really.

 

I disagree. I doubt any fighter who ever lived, especially at 19 years of age, was considered a "sure thing" to beat "everyone" before they'd beaten "anyone".
It always looks that way with hindsight but in reality the question marks are real until a fighter starts actually beating the top guys in the pros.
It does them a disservice to write the history as if it was all a foregone conclusion.

Which year did you KNOW Mike Tyson was going to the very top ?

 

Everyone "knew" Mark Breland was going to be the greatest boxer of the coming era too, more so than Mike Tyson.

I guess if Joshua goes unbeaten for another 5 years, unifies and establishes himself as a GREAT, lots of people will pretend "everyone knew for sure" he'd achieve all that, forget about all the question marks.

Tyson (like any other champion) deserves more credit for achieving things that were actually against the odds.

 

The reason why AJ gassed is because he took control of the fight in rd3 or 4 and tried to finish Wlad off, it`s possible with his sharp hook-right combo and size if he went all out like that against Tyson that Mike may have been finished off because he was so comparatively small and we don`t know if he had the heart to come back like Wlad did Tyson had a dodgy temperament but he couldn`t reach AJ`s ears!

 

Mike tyson was as close to a sure thing as you could get unforgiven. He was well known way before 1986. He was actually a very accomplished amatuer. Think he won 2 junior olympics a golden gloves and a few others. Wasnt just that but if you look back at his amatuer record he was pretty much decimating most of them guys in the first round. Its pretty unusual in the amatuers. Moves onto pro...and continues to decimate them in the first round. Goes on to batter mitch green and tillis with 20 days between them at the age of 19. People dont usually do that unless their on the way to the top. Not only that but sparring partners we,re getting sent up there and getting decimated daily. The word about tyson was out there way before 1986. Cus was a lot of things but he knew boxing. The old man knew exactly where tyson was going and so did many people around the amatuer scene before he even turned pro.

With the nature of boxing especially the heavyweight division its impossible to be a 100 percent guarantee to a sure thing. But mike tyson was as close as you could get to a sure thing. Barring major problems or big shocks he was always heading to the top hindsight or no hindsight. These guys out there we,rent capable of stopping tyson as he pretty much went on to prove by pretty much decimating most of them.

 

Tbf it looks safe to tip joshua for the top. Its looked obvious for a few years now. No ones saying anyones a 100 percent guarantee. No one can be a 100 percent guarantee with the nature of the sport and some that should have achieved more in the sport maybe could have. Guys do get derailed. Sometimes completely. But at the same time if you we,re tipping guys for the top tyson was for sure one of the top picks even before mid 1986.

People knew what cus had on his hands a good bit before that time period.

 

I think it's fair to say Joshua has even surpassed Tyson at the same point in their careers, nobody can argue otherwise.

 

Tyson turned pro in 1985 and won the title about a year and a half or so later at the age of 20. Held all 3 major belts less than a year later. Who has managed to surpass that?

 

You're right.

Tyson Holmes is not a classic, its a one sided annihilation.

Tyson Holmes is the perfect example of how a young fighter should take care of an old ATG.

Unlike Joshua's life and death experience with Klitscko

I dont understand why Joshua gets so much credit for that.

If that was Tyson Holmes, Tyson would get absolutely slated for going life and death with a 40 year old.

 

I agree.
But you're missing the point.
I'm talking about how we'd view a Mike Tyson at the stage he was at several months pre-Berbick, still untested at the highest level.

If a Tyson whose best win is Tillis (UD), Green (UD) or M.Frazier (KO1) was thrown in with the Anthony Joshua of today, I think Mike would rightly have more doubters than AJ.
People will say otherwise, but I think that's due to mostly hindsight reasoning.